DevianID Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Howdy all, I was wondering if I have an old codex or something. Basicly, I always accepted that hurricane bolters got no bonus from psybolts, as psybolts affects bolters, storm bolters, and heavy bolters. But, upon a recent reading of 'Hurricane' bolters, it says 'they count as 3 twin linked bolt guns.' And, on a vehicle with psybolts, what is the profile of a bolt gun? Its S4 AP4 rapid fire no invuln save, right? Thus, why is it you cant use psybolt ammo on a hurricane bolter again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 "count as" is why. They aren't twin-linked boltguns, they just count as them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1973053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The problem is that the vehicle upgrade for Psycannon Bolts does not include bolters as being effected by that upgrade, only stormbolters and heavy bolters. Which means Hurricane Bolter cannot be effected by that upgrade despite it being an awesome idea. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1973119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 DevianID Posted Today, 03:01 AM Howdy all, I was wondering if I have an old codex or something. Basicly, I always accepted that hurricane bolters got no bonus from psybolts, as psybolts affects bolters, storm bolters, and heavy bolters. But, upon a recent reading of 'Hurricane' bolters, it says 'they count as 3 twin linked bolt guns.' And, on a vehicle with psybolts, what is the profile of a bolt gun? Its S4 AP4 rapid fire no invuln save, right? Thus, why is it you cant use psybolt ammo on a hurricane bolter again? Because the Hurricane Bolters are primary weapons. The entry for psycannon bolts states "The vehicle's secondary weapons systems carry . . . ". Thus, you are barred from giving psycannon bolts to Hurricane Bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1973274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The problem is that the vehicle upgrade for Psycannon Bolts does not include bolters as being effected by that upgrade, only stormbolters and heavy bolters. Which means Hurricane Bolter cannot be effected by that upgrade despite it being an awesome idea. SJ Hit the nail on the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1973279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Jeffersonian is right. Tyrak is also right in that you can't use psycannon bolts in hurricane bolters, but it has nothing to do with them being primary weapons. Especially as they are in fact secondary weapons, while heavy bolters are primary weapons. Therefore by Tyraks theory you would be able to use them in hurricanes but not in heavy bolters.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1973612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 The problem is that the vehicle upgrade for Psycannon Bolts does not include bolters as being effected by that upgrade, only stormbolters and heavy bolters I thought it said storm bolters, heavy bolters, and bolt guns? Did I mesh the infantry psybolter upgrade with the vehicle one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1974472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I thought it said storm bolters, heavy bolters, and bolt guns? Did I mesh the infantry psybolter upgrade with the vehicle one? Yes you did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1974480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 It is a commonly overlooked issue, similar to the new Space Marines' Hellfire rounds, particularly the wargear given to Commanders and the special Heavy Bolter round for scouts. Similar names, different effects etc. As stated, for vehicles, Psycannon bolts only effect Heavy Bolters and Storm Bolters. For infantry, Bolters (including the Bolter function of a Combi Weapon) and Storm Bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1974918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Huh, and to think at the last tournament daemon played it that way and I didnt even give it a second thought. Thanks for the heads up guys, Ill have to point that out to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167435-hurricane-bolters-and-psybolts/#findComment-1975062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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