Sersi Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Hi Guys, I been wanting a Black Templar Crusade army for a long time. But If I'm going to do there going to be all biggerized initates and neophytes. I'm looking at some where between 50-80 marines and vehicles. Anyway here's my test model. Pics: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/30/30713_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/30/30714_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/30/30715_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/30/30716_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/30/30717_md-.jpg He's based on an AOBR terminator with leg extension and bulking in Aves - Fixed thats been tinted with Windso Newton Pane's Grey oil Paint. Its great stuff: 4 hour work times, smooths and sands like a dream, bake it solid in 10 minutes with 40 watt bulb. I still need to sanding him in preparation for the work to come. More Later! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 I've been collecting BT and other knightly bits for this for about two years now. I'll be sculpting and casting my own legs and chest sections and using a mix of GW bits as well. Sculpting and converting my own legs will also add some much needed variety to the extremely limited poses that terminator legs offer. Anyway updated pics for my test model: Updated pictures: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30806_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30808_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30810_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30811_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30812_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/1/30813_md-.jpg I'm currently working on converting my remaining four AOBR terminator leg sets and modified torso this today. So, expect the first squad of resin and plastic marines tomorrow. Here's my perspective list: Headquarters: The High Marshal (Custom) Command Squad: 14x Ten Initiate and four Neophytes (Scratchbuilt Land Raider + the High Marshal and ) Emperor's Champion (Custom / Vow: Accept any Challenge) Chaplin w/ Accolytes (Counts as Cenobytes - custom sculpted) Elites: 5x Terminators w/ 2 assault cannons (taken from the DA landspeeders - there huge) 5x Terminators w/ 2 assault cannons (taken from the DA landspeeders - there huge) 1x Venerable Dreadnought w/ Assault cannon & DCCW in a Drop Pod (Up scaled, ofcourse) Troops: 15x Ten Initiate and five Neophytes (Scratchbuilt Land Raider) 10x Ten Initiate (Scratchbuilt Rhino) 10x Ten Initiate (Scratchbuilt Rhino) 10x Ten Initiate (Scratchbuilt Rhino) 10x Ten Initiate (Scratchbuilt Rhino) Fast: 10x Assault Squad 10x Bike squad (5 will be Neophytes for Fluff sake) Heavy: 2 x Vindicators ? Hmmm...must consult the blessed Codex further... More later! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1973729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I applaud you for going for a whole upsized army! I hope it goes better for you than it is for me (and since your photos indicate that you're further along than I am, I'm guessing it already is going better). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1974148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-DX Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 All i would suggest is that if you're going to make true scale marines, you have to make sure the proportions are right, you're going to have to also make the arms a bit bigger, they look to small after you increase the height. besides that i wish you the best of luck! you have quite the task ahead of you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1975950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikunosuke Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 All i would suggest is that if you're going to make true scale marines, you have to make sure the proportions are right, you're going to have to also make the arms a bit bigger, they look to small after you increase the height. besides that i wish you the best of luck! you have quite the task ahead of you. Seconded. The arms also seem joined too closely to the body maybe because the chest isn't slightly broad enough. But it is a good start Sersi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1976127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 If you use Terminator legs for True-Scaling, you are kind of bound to use Terminator arms, too, otherwise, the proportions will look funny. Normal helmets and backpacks and weapons are okay, since these are oversized anyway. But those arms will never look quite right... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1976533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerker Pezz Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I was always of the opinion that the arms came down to just the right spot because GW's arms looked out of proportion. Try using some plasticard spacers where the arms attach. It will make them look a little 'broader' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1976587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I will be watching this project with great interest. After seeing what Pulse did on his and now this one, it gives me some impetus to do my own. Very cool, keep up the good work! Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-1982177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Well...been a while... :*) So, I took today off from working on my other little project to work on this guy. He's only a test model so their several things I'm considering chainging about him. But I want to get some objective input before making changes. http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34446_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34447_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34448_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34449_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34450_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34451_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34452_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34453_md-.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/26/34454_md-.JPG As always crit are greatly appreciated. So, what do you think: likes, dislikes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 A lot better than the first bunch! The proportions are really good and that belt is just fantastic! 2 things: The head is maybe a bit too small. I've used it on a standard Powerarmor marine once, and it looked even a bit too small on him. And if you want the sword to be a power weapon, it still needs some sort of power source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sword brethren Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 wow! well done, its gone better than my true scales likes: everything -_- dislikes: nothing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
koran Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 I think they look great and Im not sure the head is too small... In all the fluff you hear that their heads look small because of how bulked up their bodies are in comparison. One thing that doesnt sit right with me is that the waist looks a little wide in comparison to the body giving it almost feminine proportions. Id say the body could do with being made a bit wider width-ways as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ole Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 If I had that haircut, I'd wear my helmet. Joke aside, it looks awe-inspiring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Personally I think the neck and lower leg extensions were unnecessary. Actual Scale puts them at their official average height of 7'6". Then again in the Ultramarines novels there is mention of large Space Marines that have exceeded 8ft. There is human diversification still involved when it comes to the height of a Space Marine. Anyways, it will be an idea to replace the head. It is just way too small. Add a head that is slightly bigger, like a Space Marine head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2000933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
verpine Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Oh goodness!!!! For the love of god, put a helmet on him! Or get a guy with a cool hairdo, like the dev. sergeant! That aside, he's pretty good but... the sword dwarfs him.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2001018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell93 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 He's a templar have you seen the size of the swords in the feudal age? (HUGE) BTW looks cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2001124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Cathar the Great: Thanks. The sword has a atomically fine edge blade "counts as" power sword. I'm changing the head to a standard marine bald head, I'll GS the bowl cut! Kidding!!! Sword Brethern: Thanks man. Koran: Feminine!!? I see what your saying about the waist line, I'll be bulking out the chest. to compensate. Ole: Thanks, buddy Terrible_trygon: Your right looking at that neck its just wrong, I'll be correcting that. I'm also going to go with the larger head, although I think the neck made the Empire head look worse than normal. I kind of agree on the leg inserts, but he looked stumpy without them. Thanks for the hard crit. Verpine: That sword might be slightly over-compensating. I'll look into it shortening prior to casting. I'll have to check my reference books. Michell93: Thanks. Just realized I forgot the chain...doh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2001292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Okay I substituted a new head... ^_^ http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35840_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35841_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35836_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35837_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35838_md-.jpg http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/6/1/35839_md-.jpg So what to yall think of him now? I now think that the chest armor needs bulking out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 The Marine is looking a lot better now. Though two points: 1: The connection point between the arms and the body is a bit off. The gap is too big. Try making it a closer fit. Perhaps in doing this you might make the chest more to proportion. 2: The lower leg extensions still look off. They make the lower legs nearing two times longer then the upper legs. He looks like he has power stilts built into his armour. Try making the extension shorter or taking it out completely. Though I strongly advise playing with it in photoshop first to see what kind of length contemplates the upper legs best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sword brethren Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 looking better i prefer it without the bowl cut, made me think though.... who d'ya recon cuts a marines hair? still looking great im watching intently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 very clean true scaling :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVNSNTSOLDIER Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very nice truescales ya got there. And in the second picture post, was that a completly GS sculped rope and Krak grenade? Kudos for that! My only real critique (and I really dont want to be "that guy") is if your going the templars route, you should probably use more body bits pertaining to their knightly ambience. For example, Doghouse's use of Chaos Warrior legs would not only bulk out your marines without the whole abnormal sized limbs dilema, but also give off the BT's crusader feel. Plus, what can't a little chainmaille make to look better? :lol: Great job so far, I will be following your posts. Keep on trukkin' lad! (oops, that was my ork side showing :lol:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Whilst looking nice, Chaos Warrior Legs are completely off for Actual-True-Scaling. They are just waaaaaaay too small. They only work for the 'Standy' True Scale Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2008882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVNSNTSOLDIER Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Whilst looking nice, Chaos Warrior Legs are completely off for Actual-True-Scaling. They are just waaaaaaay too small. They only work for the 'Standy' True Scale Marines. While this may be true, thank you for pointing that out btw, you must consitter Doghouses method of GS sculpting to bulk out the legs and armor, making it all match. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2009053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I have. I also happen to own some Chaos Warriors and Actual-True-Scale marines and after experimenting can safely say it would not work. Not without completely sculpting over the top of the Chaos Warrior legs anyways. And if you do that then you might as well just work with termie legs and pop a chainmail tabard in the middle since it would be a hundred miles easier. You'd just be using the Chaos Warrior Legs and an expensive armature. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167477-sersis-true-scale-black-templar-army/#findComment-2009055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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