Uprising Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I`m have been making my 2000 pts list and was thinking too myself which is better-2 oblitertor or 1 defiler. I am wondering which one you like more and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidren2401 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I always take both but with the new found epicness of plasma cannons I'd have to say Oblits over Defilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 If you only plan on fielding one Defiler in total, I'd drop it and go with 2 Obliterators. Reason being most likely that your single Defiler won't live past turn 1. Obliterators are more flexible, easier to hide and are great for terrain & true LOS sniping. Two defilers on the other hand.. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Reason being most likely that your single Defiler won't live past turn 1. In my game yesterday my single defiler lived (and fired battle cannon) 6 turns with a dev squad and a LR firing at it the whole time :D I know...that never happens. To the OP, it really depends on the rest of the list, but usually 2 oblits are your best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 honestly i'd prefer 2 defilers ;) 2-3 oblits are easy to insta-kill because of their T4 ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Two oblits are better in general. But in specific lists defilers are better, even if single. These are lists with plenty of armor/mc saturation other than just rhinos (DPs, dreads, vindis, other defilers, etc). They are the best in heavy armor saturation cc lists. In other words Chaoszilla. Otherwise oblits range from very slightly better to a lot better depending on the armor saturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 2 Obliterators, this should be obvious to any player whos main concern is winning. They are much more versatile and arguable harder to take out too. If only the defiler had armour 13 *sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 in my game yesterday my single defiler lived (and fired battle cannon) 6 turns with a dev squad and a LR firing at it the whole time and what does it say about your opponent chill ? his anti tank should be drop pod melta dreads/ironclads or sternguards with combis or attackbikes . if someone uses devs or LR[!!!] to anti tank , then something is wrong with the list . But thats offtopic. 1 defiler or 2 oblits in 2k pts ? non of those . Either 6 oblits or 2/3 defilers . If you cant take those dont use them. any other unit that you can spam will work better[well any out of the working ones]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 You depress me sometimes Jeske......... Anyway, I have to agree with the majority, oblits are better than defilers overall. If only you had armour 13 like our soulgrinders :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 and what does it say about your opponent chill ? his anti tank should be drop pod melta dreads/ironclads or sternguards with combis or attackbikes . He did have squads with meltas and bikes/attack bikes with meltas, I just didn't let them near my defiler. It said more about my opponents rolling then anything else. Whenever he shot at my defiler he rolled badly to hit, for armor pen., AND on the damage chart. It really didn't say anything about him, his list, or my great generalship :P , just one of those times where I kept getting lucky and he kept being unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Heavy support is support to the list in a heavy fasion. This question is somewhat redundant and falls into bias or background-less based preference answers for the person asking the question. Share the list I say! Otherwise I wont know whats better for the list. (though the bias part may come into effect, I own 9 oblits and 3 defilers, and I use them regularly) In small games, Defilers. In larger games - obliterators. If the list is tank heavy I would go defilers (they aim over rhinos while getting obscure saves from them) or if its deep strike heavy I would go obliterators. It all depends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 I can`t believe i forgot to add my list. :rolleyes: hq Dp wings warptime ttal 155 dp wings mos lash total 155 4x troops 10 csm iocg rhino 2 melta total 860 2x 10 lesser 260 heavy 3x defiler 450 or 2x defiler 2 obilitorer 450 total 1880 so i have 120 pts left, so if i go with 3 defiler then i would get some more lesser. If i take 2 defiler with obilitorers, then i would add 1 more obili and some more lesser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I would definately go w/ 2 defiler and some oblits over 3 defilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Since you already have 2 defilers i think you can really go either way. You've got plenty of target saturation in that list. The advantages to taking the oblits would be some ap2 and lascannons, but another defiler would give you more horde control and more juicy s10 power weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNCHBiZZLe Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I would go for the 2 defilers and 2 oblits and with the 180 left you can never go wrong with a Dread(gotta get some extra PC in there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Like the others said, Obliterators over the final defiler. SPread the defilers or have them run along side your rhinos for support. You have the lash thing down, and AP2 templates(plasma cannons) would help if you faced terminators. For the final munch munch for a rounded 1 lash force. Use the rhinos to act as Defiler cover, and the legs of the defiler as obliterator cover (or deep strike them along with the daemons that assault). If your not worried about killpoints, split the daemon units into 5's, so you can keep objectives and/or be absoloutly positive a deep striking obliterator unit will have some daemons to get in front of them for cover saves and/or assault the enemy so that oblits wont get fired upon after they get to shoot some. Oblits and Defilers work well together if you use lots of heavy support. Good luck with it! Edit: 120 points huh? Add a greater Daemon. Trust me if you double-prince, a greater daemon will add the extra punch and take fire off your defilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 2 defilers and oblits definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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