Grimtooth Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 So I ran across some rules debates while at work today and was reading them casually. Came across a rules verification regarding shooting at a transport, blowing it up, and then assaulting the unit that comes out. So at my games shop, several times I have used outflank to get some melta gun goodness up nice and close to pop some transports to see the crew spill out. Having always heard you can only assault that which you shoot at and also having opponents prop up this rule, I have been left out in the open to be shot to hell the following turn instead of assaulting the unit that disembarked from the wreckage. Lo and behold, I find out today that I can indeed use my huge 13th Co assault-e-peen to charge any units pouring out of a vehicle I have destroyed in the shooting phase! This is really going to change some things I have been facing against three players that have been running mechanized armies against me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusthetraitor Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Good news! Give them something to worry about for us! Magnus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 It's a new change in 5th. Used to be we couldn't charge (4th and before) now we can. It's good stuff, and somewhat logical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Yeah, my friends and I hadn't noticed that for quite a while as well... Good for my friends, less good for me :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 Yea, I am and old 3rd and 4th edition trying to get back into the game and working through the stuff in 5th. I really can't wait to pop the transport and then declare the assault next game. And then when contested, I have the page number to back it up. SLAUGHTER! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Yeah, it's actually one of those rules that's actually in plain, easy to understand english ::gasp!:: And it's a wonderful, wonderful rule. Makes units like OBEL scouts and MM toting vendreads extra nasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 For me it was just one of those holdover rules that when I was reminded of it by others I just went with it. Screw that now.....hahahah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Brother Spyrle Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I really need to re-read over the rules again. Thanks! I must have missed that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 I really need to re-read over the rules again. Thanks! I must have missed that one. page 67 of the BRB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 WOW lol i didnt know that till now ! THANKS WOLF BROTHER ! XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 It was actually one of my favorite changes in 5th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1977590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 By the Gods... Here I've been just punching transports to death as opposed to trying to shoot them, in the hopes of killing some of the piling out troops. ... Thank you, Ramses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1978681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 holy crap! I did not know that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1978854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Yea, I am and old 3rd and 4th edition trying to get back into the game and working through the stuff in 5th. I really can't wait to pop the transport and then declare the assault next game. And then when contested, I have the page number to back it up. SLAUGHTER! I went for a few months thinking the old rule was right until someone did it to me. Now when I pop a transport and assault the guys inside, I always have to go to the rulebook to prove I can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1978870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Here I was trawling your forum to see what the rumours about you guys' new codex might be, and I discover this little gem! It had entirely slipped my attention that my outflanking melta-toting bikers could pop open a transport and then assault the occupants inside. I've always been told that it's not allowed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1978902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 Wow, glad I found it and also that I am not the only one that has been missing this chance to bring down the pain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1978943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
And a Barrel of Ale Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 excuse the horribly initiate worthy question... but if my OBEL scouts pop a tank, lets just say my mates hammerhead.. and i kill it in shooting phase... can i assault the skyray next to it in the assault phase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1979667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 excuse the horribly initiate worthy question... but if my OBEL scouts pop a tank, lets just say my mates hammerhead.. and i kill it in shooting phase... can i assault the skyray next to it in the assault phase? No in this case the assault what you shoot applies since they are two separate units from the beginning of the turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1979678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 But it does mean that if you blow a Leman Russ you can assault one of its squadron mates in the assault phase. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1979790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 But it does mean that if you blow a Leman Russ you can assault one of its squadron mates in the assault phase. :D Oh wait...seriously?! So I outflank with my melta/powerfist carrying bikes, blow up the first Leman Russ in the squadron and then as long as it is within 6" charge range I can assault the second Leman Russ in the squadron? Ohhh damn this is gonna be sweet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1979805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 A squadron of vehicles is just like any other unit... so leman russes, speeders, etc..... Though there arent many of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1979807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 A squadron of vehicles is just like any other unit... so leman russes, speeders, etc..... Though there arent many of them. Well a little more now that IG has come out. I am digging the squad thing so far since a couple of my squads run with two meltas and one powerfist. So the meltas hitting and penetrating ends up getting more then one vehicle on the damage chart as well as the powerfist and krak grenades on the assault. At least that is how I see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1980024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Remember those hits are alocated just like any other.... so he cant just toss them on a single one and you dont have to declare wich melta is targetting what. Its got its ups and its down but meh, its better than nothin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1980064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Remember those hits are alocated just like any other.... so he cant just toss them on a single one and you dont have to declare wich melta is targetting what. Its got its ups and its down but meh, its better than nothin. Yea, last IG I played I hit his tank squad with some meltas. Results were two hits. Allocated to two tanks, both penetrate. Popped one tank and knocked the main gun off the other. Later immobilized and then blew up remaining tank in close combat via melta bomb and then powerfist attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/167725-uggggh-new-rules/#findComment-1980072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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