Eldar...in an inquisitor's retinue?

[Big Mek GrabNutz]

Hiya

 

well, what is the length of a radical inquisitors leash? daemonhunters use daemons against daemons, could a witch hunter inquisitor use xenos against xenos?

 

now, i dont mean rules-wise (inducted eldar? nooooooo) but as a counts-as henchmen. i was thinking something along the lines of a rogue farseer mercenary, or a eldar mercenary in general, or maybe an eldar whom the inquisitor has a secret love interest? (these love interest rumours would obivously be just that, rumours...spread by the most deviant heretics ;) )

 

its just ive always wanted to paint an eldar, but the army doesent appeal to me, just one or two of the models, so would there be any way to squeese say a farseer or ranger or such into my retinue? ;). i just thought it would be a neat idea, and would give my inquisitor some charecter.

 

also, which model should i use? i wanted an eldar with its face showing.

 

so, please, discuss.

[Inquisitor Apropos]

I don't see why you couldn't. Most of the henchmen don't really have models, so using "Captured and Converted" Eldar could be fun. Farseers/Warlocks could be intersting Mystics or Penitant Psykers, and certain aspect warriors could be fun as Warriors and Accolytes. Just stay away from the named Character models unless you intend to do some heavy conversions.

[Karitas]

Personally i wouldnt see a reason why not, however i wouldnt say that it was acceptable in the retinue itself, thats too visible. the deamonhost is a seperate creature who acta and appears in such a way that the =][= in question could have deniability, it's not in the rhino with him, sharing coffe.

 

that said using a ranger model as a "counts as" for a vindicare, or a pair of banshees to "count as" death cult, i think would add some lovely flavour to a xenos DH army.

[glayvin34]

Personally i wouldnt see a reason why not, however i wouldnt say that it was acceptable in the retinue itself, thats too visible. the deamonhost is a seperate creature who acta and appears in such a way that the =][= in question could have deniability, it's not in the rhino with him, sharing coffe.

Sure, but you could make up any circumstance to fit. If the Inquisitor is facing down non-Imperials, they don't care who is in his army, it's all cannon fodder to them. If he's facing Imperials, then just say that he's Rogue, but managed to peel off some squads of GK or SoB before going underground.

 

EDIT: I summary, I think that including Eldar that count-as something in the Codex anywhere in an Inquisitorial army should be fine, you just might need to 'splain yourself a little. The models would look really cool with a =][= army, I love the way that their armies look like many elite units cobbled together from different sources. Having a few Eldar models in there would enhance that aspect.

 

EDIT AGAIN: Ravenor rolled around with some Eldar, but I don't think he had any Imperial Elements at the same time.

[Kaled100]

From a fluff standpoint, there's no reason an Inquisitor couldn't be working with an Eldar, as someone said, Ravenor did it for a while - however working with xenos will mark him as radical and he's likely to be seen as a heretic by some of his peers so he didn't ought to be leading Grey Knights or Sisters. I would suggest you stick to eldar 'outcasts' like rangers or pirates - although Eldar will occasionally ally with mon-keigh, they don't exactly have a high opinion of humanity.

 

Still, it could look very cool in the game, so I say go for it.

[glayvin34]

Still, it could look very cool in the game, so I say go for it.

 

It would look so cool I'm going to do it myself. Dark Eldar models would also work in this context, as long as you painted them a little happier than they are used to. I'm not very familiar with the Eldar line, though, if anyone could suggest some counts-as ideas, that would be appreciated.

[Big Mek GrabNutz]

Ok, everyone thinks its a pretty good idea ;) .

 

are there any realy female looking eldar in the eldar range? as im quite taken with the idea of my inquisitor having some sort of love interest with this eldar.

 

any that spring to mind? and are there such things as rogue farseers?

 

thanks in advance :P

[ArmouredWing]

I like the idea of eldar being a part of an inquisitors retinue but if you're going to put some fluff into the justification I'm pretty sure that any eldar working with a human would be doing it for their own best interests. After all, eldar aren't known for their humility.

[Kaled100]

are there any realy female looking eldar in the eldar range? as im quite taken with the idea of my inquisitor having some sort of love interest with this eldar.

Just as long as that interest is not returned - the Eldar regard us as little more than talking animals. You could convert a banshee, or there is (or was) a female guardian. What sort of archetype were you looking for?

[Big Mek GrabNutz]

well, an elegant looking model, with a head that could be snipped off and replaced with say a wood elf head. oh, and slight (and i do mean very slight) indications that theres something under the chestpeice :D.

 

im unsure what i could represent her as ruleswise. a farseer could be a sage i suppose, and a ranger could be a warrior.

 

thanks for all the feedback guys, ill make a link when i eventually get my orders from GW through :)

 

PS: i dont care much for the "all Eldar think were monkeys" idea. i mean, its a big universe int it :P (albieght with not very many eldar in it, but hey, theres still quite a few). i'de do a long fluff article on their backrounds and i think i could justify it pretty well. plus, the old "its your game, play it how you want" arguement is very valid i think.

[Kaled100]

PS: i dont care much for the "all Eldar think were monkeys" idea. i mean, its a big universe int it :D (albieght with not very many eldar in it, but hey, theres still quite a few). i'de do a long fluff article on their backrounds and i think i could justify it pretty well. plus, the old "its your game, play it how you want" arguement is very valid i think.

All true, but if you want people to accept an unusual idea, it's generally best to make it as in keeping with the fluff as you can. I've seen a lot of people try to justify eldar-human relationships over the years, but no one has done it convincingly IMHO. Normally they just make the eldar a human with pointy ears rather than a member of an ancient alien race whose intelligence, emotions and biology are vastly different to our own. If I were you, I'd have the eldar ally with the Inquisitor for her own reasons, maybe their goals happen to coincide, or the eldar is using the human to fulfil some farseer's prophesy. The Inquisitor might idolise and 'love' the eldar, understandable given they are superior to humans in pretty much every way, but to have that love returned is definitely not in keeping with the canon and you're likely to find it doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

[Big Mek GrabNutz]

agreed, its pretty far-fetched, but if i gave them a well written peice of fluff which i'de thought through and spent quite a bit of time on, could they really argue with me? they've got their oppinions, ive got mine.

 

does anybody have any ideas for the model i could use?

[Grey Mage]

well, an elegant looking model, with a head that could be snipped off and replaced with say a wood elf head. oh, and slight (and i do mean very slight) indications that theres something under the chestpeice :huh:.

 

im unsure what i could represent her as ruleswise. a farseer could be a sage i suppose, and a ranger could be a warrior.

 

thanks for all the feedback guys, ill make a link when i eventually get my orders from GW through :P

 

PS: i dont care much for the "all Eldar think were monkeys" idea. i mean, its a big universe int it :P (albieght with not very many eldar in it, but hey, theres still quite a few). i'de do a long fluff article on their backrounds and i think i could justify it pretty well. plus, the old "its your game, play it how you want" arguement is very valid i think.

There are ALOT more eldar psychers than just warlocks and farseers... the spiritseer, the bonesinger, heck even their artists use psychic powers to an extent.... so dont call her a farseer if shes not got the power to back up- though an elite Inquisitor attached to the retinue might work.

 

For female models theres a female warlock, gaurdian, and banshees. Only the Gaurdian is in plastic, and a wood elf head will go right on their with very little work needed. Just dont use a hooded elf ;).

[Chengar Qordath]

On the subject of an Eldar in a Human Inquisitor's retinue, one can always argue for the oddball exception. Sure, 99.99% of Eldar might not consider involving themselves with a Human in that way, but one can always argue that their Eldar is a member of the other .01% of the species. After all, Humans have plenty of potential for strangeness, and going off the biological differences Eldar arguable have more capacity to be odd than Humans on account of their enhanced senses and perceptions. Considering that there are Humans with fetishes for just about anything imaginable, I don't see any reason why there couldn't be an Eldar with a fetish for Humans.

 

If that doesn't work, there's still the catch-all arguement of the Eldar being involved with the Human as part of some Farseer's master plan.

[Thaelion Hexis]

I would suggest you stick to eldar 'outcasts' like rangers or pirates

 

I would agree to sticking with such a concept. Rangers are the most likely to deal with humans, next to some of the Corsair fleets, more interested in trading than piracy. Rangers and Pathfinders like to explore, to seek. Should their adventure somehow lead them into the employ, or even capture, of an Inquisitor, the Eldar would surely be most fascinated. Finding out more about the universe from a different perspective, maybe even discovering information or an item of value for the Craftworld, would inact a very strong impulse.

 

Granted, it is a big galaxy, I do have trouble imagining a Farseer, Aspect Warrior, or suitably disciplined Eldar joining the retinue of an Inquisitor. Czevak is the only human that the Eldar even came close to trusting, yet I can not fathom them working under his employ. Much like I would not let my dog lord it over me. No matter how much we may like these animals, there are never truly treated at the same level. The same goes for Eldar and humans.

[The emperors chosen]

if the eEdar would be working with the inquisitor, it would be as allies, and Eldar would never let a human command him/her, but its a good idea, try using the wood elf kit from WH, i know they have a few female bodies.

[DevianID]

I like the idea, but what would you do besides the eldar models to represent a radical xenos inquisitor? You could dig out the kroot mercenaries rules and use them i guess?

 

Or you could use an elite inquisitor to represent a 'farseer' lite--refractor field in place of ghost armor, tarot to represent 'farsight,' bolt pistol for a shuriken pistol, and a close combat weapon or power weapon to taste in place of the witchblade. Plus, you can give the 'farseer' a psychic power too.

[Red Lost Soldier]

From what I gathered the Eldar accompanying Ravenor was an advisor rather than in his service. Tabletop wise though being in the retinue does not equal servitude. Could simply be the Eldar there helping for whatever reason. I'd say go for it. The only modeling thing I'd recommend is not putting any =][= symbols on the Eldar, other than that the 40k world is your oyster!

 

well, what is the length of a radical inquisitors leash?

There is no limit :). We will do whatever it takes to save the galaxy.

[Uncle Mel]

Go for it, heck i use 4 squid like beings encased in mechanical armor, sounds weird but looks cool!

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

If i was to have an eldar in my retinue it would be a harlequin in my deamon hunters List.... I do have a zenos in my retinue, though. A Hrud "warrior" with a flamer ( convert scaven warpfire thrower)

[Messanger of Death]

I've seen something very much like what Lord Lorne Walkier described. A hrud with a flamer based off a skaven model in White Dwarf. It looked great alongside the rest of the retinue. So if you are able to tie the eldar model into your retinue then go for it.

 

As for the relationship thing...maybe your Inquisitor Lord has used his superior psychic abilities to influence the thoughts of the female eldar. Maybe he is using an ancient piece of Xenos technology. He may not even know all of the affects of the ancient technology and thinks it is just a data storage device or something of the sort.

 

Could be that this is an eldar that is mentally scared from a battle long passed and has been haunted with visions of the fall of the eldar race. However, at one point a new image appeared in her visions. It was a human that had the potential to give her race the chance to enact revenge against the forces of chaos before they died out completely. Could say that the damage to her mind resulted in her experiencing lust/love towards the human in her visions.

 

There is also the old fluff about a half human half eldar psychic. Think he was a space marine. Don't fully know the story behind that one and it is a bit of a weak justification.

 

Lots of possibilities in terms of justifying why she is with your Inquisitor Lord as well as the relationship between them. As long as you are happy with the reason then go for it.

 

Cheers, Messanger

[Mattsama]

Counts as is counts as. They made no specific models for that specific reason: to let you have fun with your army!

 

Why stop at Eldar? Perhaps a Tau Etheral as a Sage, acting as an orator. A lone gaunt as a Familiar, desperate for some sort of psychic connection. I love the idea of radicals because they offer so many opperatunities for creativity.

[Thaelion Hexis]

maybe your Inquisitor Lord has used his superior psychic abilities to influence the thoughts of the female eldar

 

I would have to question that one, giving that an Eldar has the potential to destroy another beings mind in such a manner.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Just tought I would point out in the GW Comic Warhammer Monthly, Kal Jerical (sp). His monther who was part of the Ordor Xenos, she had a Kroot Bodyguard with her.

 

I could possible see something like a Eldar pathfinder for exsample fitting in nicely. In fact another Kal Jerical moment, his mum dose have a Eldar Pistol. I belive there was a model of her release for the =][= specil game range as well.

 

But rememeber the golden rule...if it cool & fit with your idea of the hobby, go for it.

 

IP

[Messanger of Death]

I would have to question that one, giving that an Eldar has the potential to destroy another beings mind in such a manner./quote]

Unless the Eldar in question was in a weakened state of mind and was unable to fight back/defend itself. Alternatively the Inquisitor may well and truly be of superior psychic/mental power. Maybe he is an Illuminati...which some Inquisitors are. I'm sure Big Mek GrabNutz will come up with a nice idea for the inclusion of an Eldar in his retinue and the possible relationship as well.

 

Messanger