Beef Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Kor Phaeron was Lorgar's spiritual advisor on Colchis and the Primarch valued his counsel above all others. Kor Phaeron followed the Primarch through all his battles against the Covenant, lending him spiritual strength when it seemed there was no end in sight to the wars. When Lorgar received his legion from the Emperer, Kor Phaeron became Lorgar's second in command, leading the First Company of the Word Bearers. Kor Phaeron became Master of the Faith . Jonson and Luther rose through the ranks of the Order. Their exploits became the stuff of legend on Caliban, and the reputation of the Order rose accordingly. The oratory of Luther convinced the Grand Masters of Caliban to join him and the Lion. Luther was charming and charismatic yet at the same time a very competent warrior. It is said he would have been the greatest in Calibans history if he had not been eclipsed by the Lion Please remember this is pre heresy so before they recieved chaos gifts. If you decide to mention them during the Heresy Remember they were both Gifted By Chaos gods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 my vote goes to the traitor... i guess i should be more specific. I meant the dress wearing traitor. they both wear robes!?! fine, Luther. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Luther just my Favorite of the two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyear Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Luther, because while Kor could rally worlds with just the strength of his voice he wasn't a true warrior in the same way Luther was who spent quite some years hunting monsters on Caliban. And no Luther isn't a traitor *hides from the Dark Angels* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Kor Phaeron hands down. The man has fought in a world wide holy war, Captain of the 1st company and has complete faith that what he does is right. Also he's Astartes, Luther is only gene enhanced. Disciple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible_Trygon Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Since this is pre-heresy, Luther is yet to become filled with the power of the Dark Gods. And he is not a Space Marine. He would stand no chance against someone like Khor Phaeron. He'd be smashed to splinters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 As the above two posters have pointed out, Luther wasn't an Astartes. Yes, he was a consumate warrior and against any normal man he'd win hands down, but one on one with a space marine? And a captain no less......yeah, he's gonna lose. So while I don't like Kor very much, he would be the winner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hmm, I thought that Kor Phaeron was also not a full astartes. I thought the very reason these two were paired was because neither were Full astartes. Anyways my vote goes to Luther. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyear Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Wait.. wasn't Kor also just a gene enhanced human instead of a full fledged space marine? *Goes off to Lexicanum* Hmm.. could have sworn he was, must be mistaking him for someone else. Oh well, turn over to Kor then instead of Luther, after all Astartes vs Gene enhanced Humie = Bug Squash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1988966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Wait.. wasn't Kor also just a gene enhanced human instead of a full fledged space marine? *Goes off to Lexicanum* Hmm.. could have sworn he was, must be mistaking him for someone else. Oh well, turn over to Kor then instead of Luther, after all Astartes vs Gene enhanced Humie = Bug Squash. I don't think its ever stated anywhere but unless Logar had a prepubescent spiritual advisor on Colchis (seem highly unlikely) Kor Phaeron is in the same boat as Luther. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mike Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Luther, in my opinion. Both were nutters, but Luther carries it in that 'scary quiet not-quite-way', wheras Kor Phearon shouted blasphemy at the top of his voice. What I don't get, is that when the legions were in existence there was no 'maximum' age for recruits. They recruited from adults (it was the Codex Astartes that laid down the maximum age to make sure the gene seed remained pure). So Luther must have been rather old for the gen-hancers not to work. Just a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbogast1 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Kor Phaeron. Gotta stay true to my WB roots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 What I don't get, is that when the legions were in existence there was no 'maximum' age for recruits. They recruited from adults (it was the Codex Astartes that laid down the maximum age to make sure the gene seed remained pure). So Luther must have been rather old for the gen-hancers not to work. Just a thought. "The varies implants cause vital changes in a Marines physique and mental state. Many of these changes are controlled by normal hormonal secritions and growth patterns. Implants may not prove effective, or even functional, if they are carried out once the recipient has reached a certain stage of natural development. It is theefore inevitable that recruits must be reasonably young( Index Astartes: Rites of Initiation)." According to a table in the article, the process can be started at age 10-14 and finsih at age 16-18. A full adult has always needed a different process to become a marine due to the fact that theirs bodies are no longer growing. This process creates a marine who is smaller and weaker then a "proper" Astartes. "Decent of Angels" has a bit of a describing about the differences in the results. The short story "Wolf at the Door" implies that the process can be used on an individual in their 20s (its unclear which process they were planing on using), but its more likely than not to kill the aspirant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Neither Luther nor Kor Phaeron are full fledged space marines. They were too old for the implants to work at the time they were inducted into their legions. I'm a WB so, Kor Phaeron wins ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hmm, I thought that Kor Phaeron was also not a full astartes. I thought the very reason these two were paired was because neither were Full astartes. Anyways my vote goes to Luther. Yes that was my thought, Unless the fluff has been retconned Kor phearon was not astartes. Only marines to undergo SM implants whilst full adults were SW of whom only a handfull out of hundreds survived the procedure, its hit and miss with very low success rates hence it was not done on luthor or any body important, Although Russ's close friends were crazy any way so they ricked it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Luther, I think that Luther was better suited at combat the Kor Phaeron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Its funny how so many SW are voting for Luthor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Wolf Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Luther, the robe wearing git.....so long as he ain't too distracted by Kor's preaching. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1989767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Luther gave the Lion a run for his money did he not? He may have been imbued with Chaos powers....and he may not... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1990401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Sangha Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Let us analyze this carefully, Luthor has been fighting since he was a child, and was second to the Lion in skill. We can also assume that he may have taught him a thing or two when he took him in. Hes leader and a diplomat but he also lead by example by getting right into the fight. So I would bet he has technique and skill on his side also side his ability to lead. As a knight on Caliban he has had to rise up to that status based on his combat skill, and that was what his entire life is based on, to live and die by the sword. As for Kor, hes a preacher first and a first rate Captain because he knows how to inspire astartes to fight so he can lead men just like Luthor can, but that does not mean he can fight like him, instead he inspires men to fight for him. He has a goal in mind and war and battle is just a by product to prove his faith and get what he needs. Of course when it comes down to it Kor knows how to use a powersword and how to aim a bolter, and being a religious fanatic he probably would be hard to put down and probably willing to die for his cause(and not to mention kill for it) but his technique and skill is probably not as refined as Luthor's. Rather i would say he would try to bludgeon him in a fanatical rage and because of that he would take unnecessary risks. After all we are talking about a one on one match consisting of a man who kills demons to a man who prays to them... so my money is on the knight from Caliban Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1990560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Luther, as he wasn't a traitor :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1995350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mike Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Luther, as he wasn't a traitor :huh: Why is he not a traitor? He turned half a legion and himself to chaos, and tried to kill the DA. Thats traitorous in my view. Apart from the fact he says he will repent when the Lion comes back, but that means he is not yet repentant and he did betray. However, I'm always up for a decent debate. Can you back up yuor theory? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1996008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapniK Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Luther :lol: we are talking about the guy who was chosen by the Dark Gods to battle his pupil and to make the Dark Angels traitor. The result has yet to be clear, they do wear robes after all. Anyway Luther battle a primarch to a standstill and wounded him pretty much to the point were the lion has been taking all the sick days he can. @Beef ya its pretty funny most of the SW are voting Luther. Myself included Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1996406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Kor Phaeron definitely. full astartes plus terminator armour plus being first captain is worth counting too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1996739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 @Beef ya its pretty funny most of the SW are voting Luther. Myself included So Far Luthor has it in a bag. I guess When it comes to Chaos SW and DA do work together. @ Sons of Horus, I think the majority consensus is Kor pheron was not full astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/168553-khor-phaeron-vs-luther/#findComment-1997213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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