Bloodthirster VS other big nasties

[daemon*hunter]

After a fun con versation with a nid player, i would like to know how well 'thirsters do agaist Tyrants? He claims a tyrant would crush the thirster in 1 turn, i'm not so sure... I would test it, but neither of us have daemons codex... Yet...

 

Also how do they do against the following: Avatar, Deamon Prince, Defiler, Dreadnaught, 'Fex, generic Greater daemons (C:CSM) and other god specific greater daemons?

 

Just pure curiosity, but would very much like your opinion :D

Thankyou

[Captain Malachi]

After a ftn con versation with a nid player, i would like to know how well 'thirsters do agaist Tyrants? He claims a tyrant would crush the thirster in 1 turn, i'm not so sure... I would test it, but neither of us have daemons codex... Yet...

Was he smoking anything? :D

 

With the right biomorphs (which just happen to be ones most 'nid players don't take as standard) it could make it a fair fight, at best. No way on Earth would it 'crush the thirster in 1 turn'. Unless of course it for very lucky but the bloodthirster could get just as lucky himself. Generally, a bloodthirster will beat a tyrant in close combat.

 

It should murder the avatar to be honest, and it should do for 100 points more. The daemon prince has far too many options for me to say. The defiler and dread will both get slaughtered in seconds, no doubt about it. Carnifex....well it should still win, since the 'fex is slow and relies on it's armour save, not an invulnerable save. Generic greater daemons are a bit rubbish to be honest, so he'll win there too. Other God specidic daemons....well, the GUO would probably beat it thanks to wounding on two's, but then again a 'thirster is wounding on either two's or three's back (can't remember), the keeper would give it a run for it's money, so that'd be a pretty close fight. The LoC would probably lose, it's good at range, not combat.

 

All of this is assuming you're in CC, factor in shooting and you might get a different story with one or two of them.

[Rahveel]

I could see a Slaanesh CSM daemonprince with warptime doing better than just about any other MC against a BT (striking first with re-rollable hits and wounds[4+ base]). not to sure how he would fare against a C'tan (probably end up with a squishy BT).

 

a properly kitted tyrant could stand a chance of hurting a BT if he had implant attack (amungst several other biomorphs), but he would be so focused on doing so that he would loose alot of effectivness vrs the rest of the army, the BT however will just keep on killing, as he was not overly specilized.

 

however, I would say that a tyrant could gun down a Lord of Change, and as dakka tyrants are better than CC ones, I would consider that a pretty cool deal.

[Corpse.]

Also how do they do against the following: Avatar, Deamon Prince, Defiler, Dreadnaught, 'Fex, generic Greater daemons (C:CSM) and other god specific greater daemons?

 

Just for a quick reference, Abbadon makes a good duel partner for the bloodthirster.

 

~Generic GD's do average, 4 to hit 4 to wound, so it falls like a lesser GD usually will.

~Facing a bunch of wraithlords (assuming they're together) he most likely will lose.

~Facing a bunch of dreadnoughts needing 5's and 2's with 6 attacks between 3 average dreads, they need to get the charge to get a winning chance. (If they're chaos dreads they most likely win on the charge)

~The main GD in chaos daemon codex its the great unclean one (he wounds on 2+, hits on 4's and has more wounds) so he has a good chance, the next runner up is the Lord of change with his boon of mutation power and shooting before charging. Most of the special character GD's in that codex can wipe a Thirster on equal grounds.

~Avatar holds no candle to him anymore, poor thing.

~Defilers are the same as dreadnoughts, 5's to hit 2's to hurt and you need 2 charging to get any effect but most likely they die off.

~It takes two tyrants to take down a bloodthirster, with any setup and he can fit two of them inside the same cost as one thirster. So even if you consider points cost, one on one he's dreaming. A melee carnifex (8 attacks or so) can take a thirster on one on one, with the extra wound to ensure he isnt killed in the first round before attacking. Usually two. Ive had my thirster wipe 3 lictors 2 fexes and 1 tyrant in one game, lil buddy was worn out after that and got shot by a pistol and went back to the warp.

~Slaanesh Warptime prince has a decent chance, you need two to do it though. One does decent however. If you gift of chaos the thirster, that would be the same thing as the lord of change doing so.

 

Hope that answers things.

 

(Edit)

Man, was I smokin' something raunchy or what... Errors.....

[carcharodon]

hmm, how about C'tan, i don't know much about bloodthirster, but the Nightbringer could probably do quite well, any ideas about that?

[Captain Malachi]

Nightbringer should win, since it ignores INV saves, so the bloodthirster gets no save while the nightbringer still gets his 4++. He also has high enough strength to injure the 'thirster quite easily, while the 'thirster is generally wounding on 4's.

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, Nightbringer would cause some pain on a Bloodthirster, but how often do you see one? From what I hear, the C'tan are being written out of regular games and relegated to Apocalypse only, which makes sense. In any case, at first I was a little wary on using a Bloodthirster, as I tend to use Breath of Chaos. A lot.

 

But I quickly found two things about the Bloodthirster that were a pleasant surprise to me. First off, with Unholy Might, it's nigh impossible to save yourself from an attack from one of these beasties charging into you. STR 9 is disgusting, as I said before it's like your squad being hit by a Lascannon 6 times in CC. The other good thing about the BT is he becomes such a priority on the table that everything else is pretty much ignored. I've won games because my opponent was so afraid of the Bloodthirster (I have the FW model too, which makes him scarier! lol) that all objectives were left alone. Planted my Plaguebearers and there we go, easy win.

[I AM THE AWESOME]

Nightbringer should win, since it ignores INV saves, so the bloodthirster gets no save while the nightbringer still gets his 4++. He also has high enough strength to injure the 'thirster quite easily, while the 'thirster is generally wounding on 4's.

 

 

Well, let's see. Considering a BT with Unholy Might, and getting the charge (given wings):

 

BT strikes first.

6 attacks = 4 hits = 2.66 wounds = 1.33 failed saves.

 

NB strikes back.

5 attacks = 2.5 hits = 2.083 wounds.

 

So the NB should win, but it wouldn't be that far apart. I've actually only ever seen the Deceiver, and he'd get 4 attacks = 2 hits = 1.66 wounds, so that'd be even closer. Not bad for 25-85 points less.