Space Wolves Fans vs. Dark Angels Fans

[Lord Ragnarok]

I feel your point. However, also note that if anyone found out about their past, the full force of the imperium would be set against them. They are probably in survivor mode. Getting into character..., yes I would be furious when the DA's ran off when there was a joint effort. But when coming out of character I fully understand the plight and difficult position DA's are in.

 

 

Not quite sure I agree with that. You see the Lion never went traitor, (unless the new HH series proves otherwise) So I dont see why the Imp would hunt the DA down. Some in the Lions chaoter went renegade but as long as the Lion was loyal why would it be an issue. He would have cleaned house and those traiters that escaped would have been just that, traiters. Other chpaters have traiters to a lesser extent but you dont see them being hunted down. Some chapters who sided with Huron but were loyal to the EMP just had to do a penence crusade. The DA traiters never went against the EMP, it was just internal strife.

 

 

The emperor sleeps. We're talking about the lords of terra and the =][=. They would sanction DA 1. For having geneseed very susceptible to corruption, 2. keeping a heresy old secret about a large portion of their Legion at the time going to chaos which made them blast their planet to bits.

 

We ourselves know we have to keep the =][= at bay. (the extent of Lost Companies unchecked roaming the Galaxy on their free will. The extent of the curse....

 

 

All that said, I still see Maccrage as a stronger adversary than the DA's. In fact, I could see the Ultras coming after both chapters to "set them straight" in some dire scenario, making us side together against those with stiff backs and lacking in creativity <_<

[Grey Mage]

Wich would be hilarious really.... the Ultras would need ALOT of help in such a case- the wolves outnumber ultras like 3-4 to one, without lost companies or 13nth... and the DAs and their inner circle successors.... theres a few dozen of them.

 

Ouch.

[Grimfoe]

That would be an interesting storyline. The Ultras would certainly get their help. They have dozens of chapters just dying to repaint their armor blue and rejoin the fold.

 

I dunno, there's something appealing about the Space Wolves and Dark Angels fighting back to back against the rest of the imperium. It's an interesting idea.

[OnlyInDeath]

Wich would be hilarious really.... the Ultras would need ALOT of help in such a case- the wolves outnumber ultras like 3-4 to one, without lost companies or 13nth... and the DAs and their inner circle successors.... theres a few dozen of them.

 

Ouch.

 

 

Cept for the fact that we really would need ALL the lost companies and 13th to come back once all the Ultra successor chapters come to support thier big blue pappy chapter.

 

At that point, even with all the DA splinters, all the wolves we could muster, AND all the BA successors (they being another corrupted gene seed chapter), the numbers may still possibly be on the side of the Ultras.

 

However, if you went around and found all the chapters with flaws in the geneseed...yeah, that would be like 80% of them lol

[Ryzouken]

Yeah, we'd get outnumbered in a hurry...

 

but then it'd just be a fair fight!

 

Of course, there's no way in the Warp that Chaos would just sit on its hands while all this happened. The internal scrapping would start, Abbadon would start a 14th Crusade, and whatever idiot Inquisitor opted to pick said fight would get devoured by x million daemons and whatnot and we'd be back to business as usual inside a century. Well, except that the Tau could use the multiple distractions to grab another planet or two... but yeah, mostly business as usual.

 

I think SW + DA + successors could take UM + successors. Pansy smurfs...

 

(<-- used to play Smurfs)

[whitewolfmxc]

Well , the BT might side with SW too since they dont like UM lol......oh wait DA's dont like them sticking around their noses XD

[Grey Mage]

Im rather fond of the Sons of Dorn, but Im not sure theyd side with us. I think theyd just stand back and wait, and protect the imperium in the mean-time.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Gradually, day by day and month by month he slowly bent and twisted the Dark Angels left behind to his way of thinking. Instead of celebrating their brethrens every accomplishment they detested them. Anyone not so turned was quietly murdered. The few chaplains of the legion were the first to die, as even Luthor knew they would resist his influence upon the legion.

 

From the fortress of unforgiven. The guy that made the site has gone through loads of fluff to create the history of the dark angels on the website.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Gradually, day by day and month by month he slowly bent and twisted the Dark Angels left behind to his way of thinking. Instead of celebrating their brethrens every accomplishment they detested them. Anyone not so turned was quietly murdered. The few chaplains of the legion were the first to die, as even Luthor knew they would resist his influence upon the legion.

 

From the fortress of unforgiven. The guy that made the site has gone through loads of fluff to create the history of the dark angels on the website.

 

but what are HIS sources?

 

WLK

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Gradually, day by day and month by month he slowly bent and twisted the Dark Angels left behind to his way of thinking. Instead of celebrating their brethrens every accomplishment they detested them. Anyone not so turned was quietly murdered. The few chaplains of the legion were the first to die, as even Luthor knew they would resist his influence upon the legion.

 

From the fortress of unforgiven. The guy that made the site has gone through loads of fluff to create the history of the dark angels on the website.

 

but what are HIS sources?

 

WLK

 

 

I don't know what sources he used, if i knew i would put them in my post. ^_^

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Gradually, day by day and month by month he slowly bent and twisted the Dark Angels left behind to his way of thinking. Instead of celebrating their brethrens every accomplishment they detested them. Anyone not so turned was quietly murdered. The few chaplains of the legion were the first to die, as even Luthor knew they would resist his influence upon the legion.

 

From the fortress of unforgiven. The guy that made the site has gone through loads of fluff to create the history of the dark angels on the website.

 

but what are HIS sources?

 

WLK

 

 

I don't know what sources he used, if i knew i would put them in my post. :devil:

 

fair enough.

 

WLK

[Demogerg]

This

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Johnson

made my day

 

I play SW, one of my tourney partners plays BA, one plays BT and one plays DA, and we all work at the same place, when they get here im going to spread that link around to get a good kick.

[bevulf]

I think that altough there is a feud between SW and DA, when there is a greater threat that is more important than the rivalry between them those two can be the most powerful combined fighting force in the galaxy - they proved it many times !!!

 

That is why i like both of them - ALL HAIL TO THE SONS OF RUSS AND LION !!!!!

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

The Lion didn't have 'sons' just lots of 'special friends' :rolleyes: :lol:

 

Seriously though, the DA have great fluff and are generally played by good guys.

[Baba Lem]

Any of you got a brother with whom you always fight ? That you love, though. That you'd bail out outta anything and stand back to back once someone threatens him. Unspoken, unbreakable bond between DA and SW, they're just that badass. Brothers indeed.

[Brother Hadafix]

Im rather fond of the Sons of Dorn, but Im not sure theyd side with us. I think theyd just stand back and wait, and protect the imperium in the mean-time.

 

Quite... I cant see the IF, CM or BT being to bothered, except that it would mean that many forces were putting themselves before the Imperium and leaving it unguarded.

 

IT not that the BT dislike the UM, it more that they embody two totally different ideas of what it is to be a marine.

 

UM = What it is to be a Chapter and hold to the edicts of Guiliman.

 

BT = What is was to be a Legion and to uphold the edicts of the Emperor.

 

SW = Loyalty to the people of the Imperium.

[Grey Mage]

Indeed. And thats why we get along fairly well with BT, IF, and CF.... the edicts of the emperor were mostly the protection of the imperial populace and the expansion of its holdings.

[Wolf Priest Haelaeif]

IT not that the BT dislike the UM, it more that they embody two totally different ideas of what it is to be a marine.

 

UM = What it is to be a Chapter and hold to the edicts of Guiliman.

 

BT = What is was to be a Legion and to uphold the edicts of the Emperor.

 

SW = Loyalty to the people of the Imperium.

 

Actually, that is exactly why I think the Imperial Fist Legion would support any loyalist chapter attacked by the Ultramarines for not following codex. They do not really follow it either, and they consider the Ultramarines traitors anyway.

 

As for leaving the Imperium unguarded, the damage it would have caused to the Imperium is probably what stopped Dorn and his Legion to actually try and fight the Ultras in the first place.

 

So in the end, it would be three Legions versus one Legion: Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists versus Ultramarines. And every other Legion would probably rather join the former than the latter. Unfair, is it not?

 

 

Edit: heh, now I forgot why I was going to post in this topic in the first place: I have been playing Space Wolves since 1992, while my best friend has been playing Dark Angels. So yeah, I think they actually get along fine.

[Vash113]

Except even with all the other 1st Founding Chapters and all their successors, the Ultramarines and their successors still outnumber them significantly. Twould not be good for the Imperium, first founding Chapters have lots of alliances and it would probably be a domino effect causing civil war to rival the Horus Heresy... there's just so many sons of Guilliman running around...

[Hfran Morkai]

Any of you got a brother with whom you always fight ? That you love, though. That you'd bail out outta anything and stand back to back once someone threatens him. Unspoken, unbreakable bond between DA and SW, they're just that badass. Brothers indeed.

 

Yep. But I don't tend to fight my brother with an axe/Land Raider/ Battle Barge! And if there was a huge Space Marine civil war then the Emperor would finally get off his comfy armchair and tell them to shut up, he's trying to sleep!

[hendrik]

Any of you got a brother with whom you always fight ? That you love, though. That you'd bail out outta anything and stand back to back once someone threatens him. Unspoken, unbreakable bond between DA and SW, they're just that badass. Brothers indeed.

I, for one, don't think we SW trust the DA that much at all!

think about it, all it would take for a DA fighting next to you to retreat would be a rumour of a possible fallen so they could go chase that guy.

really, where's their honour!

the only chapter i am sure of that we would have such a bond with would be the grey knights, having fought with them against angron and even then i think we would keep a distance

[Grey Mage]

Weve fought next to the DA against bad odds....

 

And your normal space marine, heck Id be suprised if ANY SW new about the fallen.

[bevulf]

Weve fought next to the DA against bad odds....

 

And your normal space marine, heck Id be suprised if ANY SW new about the fallen.

 

Ragnar knows Dark Angels secret. He and his Space Wolves also fought against chaos scum with DA by his side (after of course some fighting :) ) (in SONS of FENRIS novel)

 

Man Ragnar is such an awesome character !!!!

[Grey Mage]

Ahh... havent gotten to that one yet, never could find the SW books around.

[Vassakov]

Weve fought next to the DA against bad odds....

 

And your normal space marine, heck Id be suprised if ANY SW new about the fallen.

 

Ragnar knows Dark Angels secret. He and his Space Wolves also fought against chaos scum with DA by his side (after of course some fighting :) ) (in SONS of FENRIS novel)

 

Man Ragnar is such an awesome character !!!!

 

Incorrect. The SW's never knew about the Fallen, only that the DA knew that the Fallen guy was a traitor. The DA secret is only known amongst their inner circle.

 

Back OT; I can see the Sons of the Wolf and the Sons of the Lion putting aside their differences in the case of civil war in the Imperium, of course it would depend on circumstances. Both are loyal to the Emperor, and his ideals - and therefore the Imperium, rather than the High Lords, the Inquisition or any other body. Whilst both will quite happily cooperate with other groups, do not presume to think that they will blindly follow them. As many occassions have shown, the Wolves put their own ideals above the High Lords, and so do the DA. Again, do not mistake a determination to redeem their honour to putting themselves above the Imperium.