lunchb0x Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Was it the kids attitude/behavior or the list that made you not enjoy the game? If it was his attitude/behavior, then this post is somewhat warranted...if its the list...not warranted at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2005973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Lunchbox, hes already said it was the attitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2005997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Tsk Tsk. Grey Mage, you know b0x never learned to read... (or spell!) :P let the smilies take the sting from my barb... let it soothe the wounds of your soul..... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 It is slightly ironic that the main complaint of this thread is Vash's opponent's attitude, which is quintissentially expressed in Talon and Lunchb0x. Learn to read posts, all posts, before you post your own please. Really, it just helps you from looking stupid hehe. That said, the point of this game is to have fun. I golf, race, and work all with the element of competition, so like many players, I play 40k for...FUN! What does this translate into? I generally try and not play people who are obsessed with winning first and foremost, I mean really, who cares? Kind of sad if you put winning before people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 My post was written with a rhetorical sense to it, considering the fact that I answered the questions... I am sorry that most of you could not grasp that, let alone I doubt that the three that posted above me even know what that word means. Ill make it in a simpler format for you. your here crying about the kids attitude...somewhat but not really worth posting. if its the list, its really not worth posting. There...is that simple enough for you ? You tell me to go and read posts, but yet...you cant even begin to grasp something as simple as a few sentences. :ph34r: Ryzo, I think you would be wise to run your mouth so easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Aww, I was hoping you'd not get upset at my jest. Thus the smilies. But it would seem I miscalculated. Please accept my apologies, as it was never my intent to insult, merely to entertain. Besides, if Ryzouken isn't cracking wise, he likely isn't posting in a thread that doesn't ask a direct question... ...and that would be a travesty indeed. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 My apologizes as well to you then mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezil Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I agree with lunchbox for the most part. Whilst his attitude is mentioned it seems to be mostly the list that is taking the most flak.... Whilst winning isn't everything it IS the aim of the game so I don't see the problem with him using a v hard list. I'm sure it's not indestructible and it's only the players fault if he isn't up to the challenge. Having said that I did think what he did with the terrain wasn't that nice :confused: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I will say, if the kid wanted a real challenge and wasnt there to just blast someone unsuspecting off the table, then he would tell ya what he's bringing. I actually always let my opponent know what I got, in the same way that you would in a tourney. That said, I also do try to take a balanced list against any over powered one that I see, just to see if I can outthink my opponent. There's also something very very satisfying about blasting a power gamer to little pieces. I guess I would rather go home and figure out a list that could come back and show him how it's really done;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezil Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I will say, if the kid wanted a real challenge and wasnt there to just blast someone unsuspecting off the table, then he would tell ya what he's bringing. True, can't fault that. However doesn't stop Vash from asking him what he's gonna be putting out on the table either so that he doesn't just get smooshed by a power army :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Regarding the terrain, to be fair, I don't think any guard player wants to see terrain out in the middle of the board to provide cover saves against his shooting. After all, most guard armies are nothing but shooting (like Tau, almost) with precious little effective melee combat capacity. I can't fault a guard player for wanting the terrain away from his fire lanes. If he were playing nids or zerkers, he'd be throwing it out in a daisy chain so he could advance with decent cover. I think it's just the way things go when the players of a game choose their terrain, and I think that it's balanced in that each player (theoretically) throws out equal amounts of terrain. As to his list, I don't believe it would be a serious threat if his opponent ran transports, deep strikers, long range anti tank fire, outflankers, or any of a number of other strategic assets. It might still be a close game, but I can definitely see the guard player getting tabled fairly quickly due to low model count (barebones troops to fill slots means he's not running the 80-100+ models he needs to run for his 5+ sv troopers to matter, probably.) In either case, this thread will end badly if we keep trying to assign blame. Vash had a bad game, it's unfortunate, but no matter of guilt or blame will change what's been. Best we can do is, assess what can be done to prevent Vash's having another bad game. (not playing the guy is an option, but other options exist as well. If bad attitude, take him to task for it; if bad list matchup, change your list; etc.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 My post was written with a rhetorical sense to it, considering the fact that I answered the questions... I am sorry that most of you could not grasp that, let alone I doubt that the three that posted above me even know what that word means. Ill make it in a simpler format for you. your here crying about the kids attitude...somewhat but not really worth posting. if its the list, its really not worth posting. There...is that simple enough for you ? You tell me to go and read posts, but yet...you cant even begin to grasp something as simple as a few sentences. <_< Ryzo, I think you would be wise to run your mouth so easily. You're stretching. "Was it the kids attitude/behavior or the list that made you not enjoy the game? If it was his attitude/behavior, then this post is somewhat warranted...if its the list...not warranted at all. " There is absolutely nothing in that post that makes the question obviously rhetorical. In fact, if anything, it warrants itself to a feel of a literal tone from the latter half. It might have been obvious to you, but grammatically, and to the populace, this question posed itself as literal. Because of this, one can safely feel frustrated by the question since it was already answered. That said, I do apologize for the offensive part of my post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I see where you coming from Jeff... well my apologize to you as well my friend. Edit: to many letters in Apologize Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I see where you coming from Jeff... well my apologize to you as well my friend. Edit: to many letters in Apologize :) There's some guys at my group that are just huge rules sticklers, competitive, and kinda douchey even in casual games...so those guys play with eachother and I, being more casual, play with the casual lot. We'll play together though, since I usually have thick skin to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2006972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Perhaps the best way to play is to have someone independent set up the terrain. At the end of the day it's a game and it's meant to be fun and this player doesn't seem to be following the golden rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Perhaps the best way to play is to have someone independent set up the terrain. At the end of the day it's a game and it's meant to be fun and this player doesn't seem to be following the golden rule. At the current store I go to in PDX, thats what they do for the leagues...I rather like it. Its kind of a surprise as to whats going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 And thats always nice... we also do it in my club that you set all the terrain up, decide teams, then build your list... and then randomly determine who starts where. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dreadnoughts win because they can't be damaged by bare-bones CSMs. Dreadnoughts win, because dead dudes in a big suit are fun :angry: That and tacticals find it a pain to kill them :P Vash- Bad times bro. I sure Bran Scalphunter would advise a severe exterminatussocking if he brings cheeze like this again :P Multiple outflanking/OBEL scouts would seem like a good way of combatting this list, as 4 of the 6 no's on the dice are in your favour if he decides to deploy it in a corner. Melta Bombs and Meltaguns, and keep your army to ground as much as possible. 3+ cover saves till armour is gone= result :P Or like has been said, a good Pod list would do some damage, expecially amongst his weak troops with Hellfire (?) pod weapons and meltas for the tanks. In any case, next time you meet him, remember, the rulebook is hardback for a reason...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I always try to get someone indepeendent to set up terrain that looks good. And when they have a game you can return the favour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 My only problem with this is that 40k isn't football, soccer, golf, or even chess. It's not a competitive game. It was never designed for tournament play, and its openly unbalanced do to the complexity of the rules. If you think winning is the point of the game you haven't read the rule book. There are a great many (perhaps the majority, at least it is in my area) people who only play for fun. If I want a competitive game I'll go somewhere where things are balanced and more tournament oriented. 40k is for fun, try to have some :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2007413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 My only problem with this is that 40k isn't football, soccer, golf, or even chess. It's not a competitive game. It was never designed for tournament play, and its openly unbalanced do to the complexity of the rules. If you think winning is the point of the game you haven't read the rule book. There are a great many (perhaps the majority, at least it is in my area) people who only play for fun. If I want a competitive game I'll go somewhere where things are balanced and more tournament oriented. 40k is for fun, try to have some ^_^ As someone who has plays in Tornuaments and has a pretty decent winning streak, I would disagree with you to an extent. Winning is the point of the game, but should not always overshadow fun - except in certain settings (most obviously Tornuaments) For some people, the fun is simply in a competitive game, others the hobby side, or even the background. For some people, it can be entertaining every now and again, to come up with the most broken, damaged or otherwise one sided, but fundementally flawed list - and see what happens. Perhaps his intention was not to table you, but simply to see what the limits of the list was, and how it would cope against a take on all comers list. Alternatively I'm talking rubbish, and the guy was a jerk. But I suspect all of us have, at least once, taken a list that we've known was going to give them a headache. I know I have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2008034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Oi, indeed... its a competitive game, your supposed to try and win. Risk and Clue are also competitive games, as is pong- that doesnt mean your an arse and lord it over your opponents every time you conquer a territory in risk eh? No. You have fun, you enjoy each others company, and any jibes made should be friendly ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2008057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 If the IG player had said, "Yea it is a pretty cheesed out list that I just wanted to mess around with today." Then you could say that he was just a normal guy messing around with the new IG codex and Mathhammer because he was bored. Considering that he failed to see the problems with his list and attitude about wargaming pointed out by OTHER players, it is pretty obvious to see the type of gamer he happens to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2008064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Perhaps the best way to play is to have someone independent set up the terrain. An interresting idea, I'll have to try that sometime. At the end of the day it's a game and it's meant to be fun and this player doesn't seem to be following the golden rule. Precisely, and it doesn't make for a good gaming experience. Vash- Bad times bro. I sure Bran Scalphunter would advise a severe exterminatussocking if he brings cheeze like this again :P In any case, next time you meet him, remember, the rulebook is hardback for a reason...... Ah yes well unfortunately I don't have the hardback rulebook, I got the little one from Black Reach... maybe worth investing in the BGB. :P My only problem with this is that 40k isn't football, soccer, golf, or even chess. It's not a competitive game. It was never designed for tournament play, and its openly unbalanced do to the complexity of the rules. If you think winning is the point of the game you haven't read the rule book. There are a great many (perhaps the majority, at least it is in my area) people who only play for fun. If I want a competitive game I'll go somewhere where things are balanced and more tournament oriented. 40k is for fun, try to have some :lol: True, perhaps if 40k was more balanced and there wasn't such a drastic codex creep there wouldn't be such problems, but unfortunately that's not the case and every now and then it causes problems. Perhaps his intention was not to table you, but simply to see what the limits of the list was, and how it would cope against a take on all comers list. Alternatively I'm talking rubbish, and the guy was a jerk. It was the ambiguity of his intentions that led me to go ahead with the game at the time, but in retrospect and having spoken to other people at the shop it's clear that he's just a jerk pretty much all the time. It's what I get for giving a stranger the benefit of the doubt I suppose... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2008076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Oi, indeed... its a competitive game, your supposed to try and win. Risk and Clue are also competitive games, as is pong- that doesnt mean your an arse and lord it over your opponents every time you conquer a territory in risk eh? No. You have fun, you enjoy each others company, and any jibes made should be friendly ones. Negative. 40k was not intended to be a "competitive game" in the way you describe. Its a hobby game. Risk and Clue follow a simple and strict rule set where each player is put in a situation where they have equal chance to win. In 40k you can be at a disadvantage just by playing a certain team because they game is not balanced and the rules are so complex. People who pick it apart looking for ways to win are taking advantage of the fact that the rules are not 100% fair. In chess devising a strategy is a truly wonderful thing as it your mind versus the other persons on an even field. But in 40k each person is playing by different rules and "strategy" can be as simply as spamming Carnifexes. Finding loopholes in rules because the writer of the rules made a mistake can make you just look like an jerk. Don't get me wrong, I try to win just like the next guy but I do so in an attempt to enjoy a fun game, not to prove to the world I have the biggest/greatest/coolest (insert boast here). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/169811-worst-game-of-40k-ever/page/2/#findComment-2008720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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