Daemon Prince: Wings vs. Mark of Nurgle

[blood_raven_240]

If you were fielding a Daemon Prince in a 500 Points Army, and had 20 Points to spend on options, would you choose Wings, or Mark of Nurgle, and why? I'm asking this, because I'm considering starting a 500 Points CSM Army, and I have my eye on the Ultraforge Lord of Pestilence (Swaying slightly off topic here!), but I'm not sure whether to purchase Wings for him? I thought that the Mark of Nurgle would be the obvious choice, but as I can't afford both, I need to select one or the other.

 

Thanks,

 

Blood Raven :tu:

[Zhukov]

Then its wings of course. No doubt possible here. A prince without wings is like...well dont know, but its not effective I can tell you that! Really a Deamon prince without wings is not an option. You should always read the Prince entry like: 'winged prine' 130 points. And from there you can start looking at upgrades.

[blood_raven_240]

Alright, thanks for the reply!

[aberrant_unc]

In a normal game, you definitely want the wings.... in 500 points, your opponent is going to be fielding mostly troops, so T6 vs. T5 is a big deal (space marines hit on 6 instead of 5). I would still take the wings, but it isn't an easy decision.

 

So I would say it depends on what you are fielding him with and what size table you are playing on. If you have a CC-oriented army, you probably want wings, but if you have a more shooty army, you will want to use him to countercharge and wing-free will be OK. You can always run.

 

Surely you can find 20 points hiding somewhere in your list- even dropping a body is probably worth it to get both nurgle and wings.

[blood_raven_240]

Alright, here's an attempt at the list, altered to have Wings and MoN.

 

Winged Daemon Prince with MoN: 150 Points

Plague Marine Squad: (7) with Meltagun :171

Plague Marine Squad: (7) with Plasmagun :176

 

Not really sure about it though. Anyway, thanks for your response! It's certainly been of use to me, and has put some new thoughts into my head. Thanks.

 

Blood Raven ;)

[the jeske]

wings always wings . DP do stuff only in hth , without wings they have problems with getting in to hth .

[Zhukov]

I would drop 3 Pm's and take 2 rhinos , drop plasma. Take 1 squad with double melta and one squad with 1 flamer. Grr 4 points left.

[blood_raven_240]

Alternatively,

 

Winged Daemon Prince with MoN: 150 Points

Plague Marine Squad: (5) with 2x Meltagun: 135

Plague Marine Squad: (5) with 2x Plasma Gun: 145

Rhino: 35

Rhino: 35

 

500 Exactly.

 

Thoughts?

[Cam2Designs]

Alternatively,

 

Winged Daemon Prince with MoN: 150 Points

Plague Marine Squad: (5) with 2x Meltagun: 135

Plague Marine Squad: (5) with 2x Plasma Gun: 145

Rhino: 35

Rhino: 35

 

500 Exactly.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I would worry about getting your squads down so low in number. I know everyone is Rhino crazy these days, but in a 500 point game, essentially a Combat Patrol, I'd think that footslogging wouldn't be that bad and that the 4 PMs you are missing would be more pivotal. The rule is 7 PMs = 10 SMs. Also, stay flexible. Make a list that more a troop killer/assaulty (with flamers) and have the models there to switch out depending on who you are facing. That's my two cents.

[chillin]

There is no wings vs a mark. You take a DP with wings THEN whatever else if you have pts left.

[daemon*hunter]

for once i agree with Jeske :confused: Always take wings.

 

If i was you, i wouldnt want to go below 7 man squads, 6 Minimum.

[eyescrossed]

The rule is 7 PMs = 10 SMs.

People always say this without having the maths... Okay, I admit, this is a little unfair since I'm not using any weapons that ignore their FNP, but I want to show people how resilient they are compared to normal Marines against standard infantry weapons.

 

10 Marines hit with 60 Bolter shots, 30 wound, 10 fail armour save, all dead.

 

7 Plague Marines hit by 60 Bolter shots, 20 wound, 6.6 fail armour save, 3.3 fail FNP, 3 dead.

 

It takes 90 basic Marines rapid-firing to put down 7 Plague Marines on average, but this is a void point, since people always fire Plasma and Krak at them.

[Zhukov]

Yes but that plasma and other nasty things for your Pm's arent there that much at 500 points. And if someone does, orks will beat the crap out of him, so then you are just unlucky with the matchup.

 

Really I can ensure you that 2x 5 Plague in rhinos can do fine at 500 points. I mean some of that heavy fire should go at your prince too right?

 

Why would one not take rhinos at 500 points? The board isnt that small. Plague marines have a range of max 24 inch, 12 if walking so someone outshoots you easily. Rhinos still protect you and get you close easily. The more because rhinos are even harder to take out in 500 points along with your prince. (well not really of course, they are still AV11, but their should be less weapons to take them out like I said before, and because of the smaller board you will be earlier there)

[Corpse.]

In games where so much firepower is spat your way then sometimes a prince to take hits for the rest of the army is a decent tactic. However, in 500 pts where nothing is sacrificial, then the prince should have wings. Hands down choice as others say.

[Sons of Horus]

wings!!!!

 

if you're planning on using 2 squads of 5 PMs only you might find yourself outnumbered in the game.

[aberrant_unc]

five man plague marine squads will do fine. Any melta or plasma fire shot at them will not be going towards that demon prince. This is about the hardest 500 point army you can do with the chaos codex under the normal force org chart.

[Aidoneus]

Wings always. MoN only if you have points.

 

For the Rhino debate, aren't we all ignoring the obvious? Take one Rhino, and footslog the other squad! Something like this:

 

Daemon Prince: Wings - 130pts

6 Plague Marines: 2 Meltaguns, Rhino - 193pts

6 Plague Marines: 2 Plasma Guns - 168pts

 

This gives you 9 pts to play with. Not sure what to do with that. Maybe swap a meltagun for a flamer and upgrade to a champion in the rhino squad, just for 1 more attack? Maybe there's a 10pt psychic power for the prince? Anyway, you get the idea.