Pig Of Sparta Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Salutations Bretheren! I wondered if I might get a few opinions on a mini I'm working on as it's easier to pick up and put down than my CotI stuff just now. (I'm still working on it but mostly in the evenings once the wee ones are settled down ^_^) Although the title says 'counts as' Sicarius, I'll probably end up using him as just a regular Captain most of the time. http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/CAS1.jpghttp://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/CAS2.jpg I've removed the original sword to try and 'open' the pose of the mini a little. I also thought that it seemed a bit daft to have his sword in it's scabard where it's useless :).Obviously the pommel will be rebuilt and the join between the sword and the handle will be smoothed. I've also filed down the Ultramarines device on the 'tabard', but I'm leaving all the others (including the one on his shoulder guard as it's fairly inobvious) they'll be painted as the 'omega' Sons of Orar device instead. The helmet will either be converted to look like a modified mark iv, or if I can get hold of one I'll use an actual mark iv one. If I end up using this one I think that the plume might go purely because I think it's a little over the top. That and as Sicarius banner has an Ultramarines device on it, I'm thinking of giving him a regular backpack with an iron halo perched on top. So please let me know what you think, as at the moment I'm not 100% liking him! I'm not sure if the sword looks a little strange at that angle, maybe I need to trim away more of the braiding so his hand can be turned at the wrist so the sword is closer to his shoulder? C&C would be greatly appreciated, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominar_Mortis Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 imho: 1 - point the sword down as if he is leaning on it slightly 1.1 - or you could bore out the whole sword forearm and replace with plastic and reposition it, coming out more to the front, to get the better angle having the blade running over his shoulder 2 - bore out the neck a little to get that helm sitting a little lower 3 - if you can cut, trim and re-attach the plume stem on top of the helm to make it less protrusive 4 - something is bugging me about the plasma pistol. Angle perhaps? DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 @ Dominar_Mortis: Thanks for your opinions. While they are valued, I think I'm gonna keep the sword pointing up just now, I want to try and set him apart from other Sicarius conversions, however boring out parts of the mini are outwith my abilities just now so I'm gonna have to try and go with what I've got. You're right about the Plasma Pistol being funny, it was the angle, because everything is just blutacked at the moment it keeps moving! I'm still not so sure about the helmet plume, but it's staying for just now as if I do have to sculpt it'll make it easier to hold the helmet :blink:. As for the height of the helm, I think that was the blutack again, after I took it off the helmet seemed to sit a little lower and look a bit better. Anyone else got any C&C? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Looking good. I'd suggest turning the blade so it's edge faces the front rather than the flat of the blade. You could remove a small part of the end of the quillian (t-shaped end piece) on the guard (the cross bar bit above the hand where the sword starts) so that as you turn the blade it fits into the elbow recess if that makes any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Looking good. I'd suggest turning the blade so it's edge faces the front rather than the flat of the blade. You could remove a small part of the end of the quillian (t-shaped end piece) on the guard (the cross bar bit above the hand where the sword starts) so that as you turn the blade it fits into the elbow recess if that makes any sense? that sounds like a good idea a back banner could work too, make him stand out a bit and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekkanus Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I agree with Doghouse, the way the sword looks at the moment, its just like he's waving it around in front of his face, whereas if it was the other way it would look a bit more menacing. With the helm, is that the way it comes, or is the long bit between the helmet and the plume been added? It just looks a little "high" imo. Ekkanus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FATED FITH Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I like it, a different take on the sicarius model As for improvements.. if you maybe kept the sword how it is but turned to head towards the right as if he is looking at something and commanding an order.. Just an idea not sure how well/if it will work at all but may be worth a try. T.F.F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The poseing of the 2 weapons look good, the stance is at rest so weapons would be slightly relaxed if you know what I mean. I personally don't like the scuplt on the pume on the helmet but that's nothing to do with what you have done. Look foward to seeing this done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Thanks for the C&C guys. Since putting these photos up I've done a little more on him (added the sword pommel, a crux terminatus to the cloak) so I'll try and get new ones up soon; @ Doghouse: Thanks ;). Since taking these photos I've added a wee Crux Terminatus behind the sword hilt as the clasp on his cloak so the blade won't really turn around, however this is by no means final so I might remove it and see how the blade looks 'edge on' as it were. @ wiplash: I'm not the worlds biggest fan of banners on marines, I think they can look a little silly sometimes, that said you might be right, I'll have a dig around and see if I can find any generic back banners. @ Ekkanus: That's the original helmet plume. I can see why people opt for giving Sicarius the bare headed option it just doesn't look quite right perched up high like that. It's almost definately gonna go though. @ THE FATED FITH: I'll give that a try. The neck join on the mini isn't a ball and socket one like the other marine minis so it'll take a bit of playing around to get it to fit but it sounds like it's worth a shot ;). @ Eberious: I'm hating the sculpting of the plume the more I look at it so it's almost definately going to go. I'm nearing completion on my CotI mini's so hopefully I won't keep you waiting long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad blackheart Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 are sons of orar the one with the upsidedown ultramarine u if so include that in place of the existing u's on the model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsideReticle Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I don't think the plume has to go necessarily, but I'm a much bigger fan of forward-to-back plumes than sideways. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 @ konrad blackheart: yeah, the Sons of Orar use an Omega (inverted Ultramarines 'U') as their heraldry, so I'm going to leave them all there, although I may GS in the recesses in the leather tabard. @ InsideReticle: I've trimmed the plume off now (see photos below) but I too am a fan of 'front to back' plumes. Ok, updated photos: http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/Swordedgebanner.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/swordfrontbanner.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/swordedgehalo.jpg Although I might not be using it, I've put on Sicarius' banner to show what he'd look like with a back banner in place. Please feel free to C&C, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messanger of Death Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If you like the idea of using magnets or pins then you could go with two back packs. One with the iron halo and the other with the back pack. Could use one to represent a Captain and the other to represent a 'counts as' Sicarius. Also the blade looks fine once you put in the photo of the model facing us. If you do go without the back banner then you could add the 'front to back' plumes to give some extra height. Whatever you go with this guy is turning out to look very nice and I am starting to like the static Sicarius model. I'm sure he will look even better once you have given him a coat of paint like your two tactical squads. Cheers, Messanger. Edit - the Crux Terminatus behind the sword hilt as the clasp looks a little to chunky atm. Maybe thin it at the back so it doesn't stick out as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thanks Messanger of Death. I see what you mean about the Crux Terminatus, it'll be filed down and re-mounted asap. Magnetizing is a bit beyond my means just now, and although pinning is an option I've been doing a lot of thinking about this mini over the last few days and I think I'm gonna go with Sicarius' banner using the excuse that the Ultramarines' "U" in the centre is embroidered upon it in memorium of the original Orar, gone but not forgotten as it were. However if I do use it, is it wrong (or a bit dodgy) to have to Crux Terminatuses on the same side of the mini? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 That looks much better mate! The sword is more in line with his fingers and he looks like he's graping it better now. Given that they are the sons of ultramar the Ultramarines symbol makes a lot of sense. You could incoporate the design into the captain's personal heraldry which would explain why it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistinthunder Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 the original Orar not to be pedantic but Orar is a myth. according to the codex but still its a nice idea :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 @ twistinthunder: Being a mythical figure and being an actual myth are distinctly different I think. Being a mythical figure is gives an individual a particularly exalted stutus, for example the Primarchs are mythical figures because they existed 10,000 years ago and most of what is known about them has been passed down from generations before in what can be likened to a galactic game of chinese whispers. I believe Orar along with most if not all other Space Marine heroes both contemporary and historic are refered to in the same context. The codex also states that Orar is revered as a partriachal figure by the Sons of Orar, which (to me anyway) somewhat substantiates his existence, although doesn't explain anymore about him. Hence in my opinion he's a mythical figure, not just a myth. But you're entitled to your interpretation too :). @ Doghouse: cheers mate. I'm gonna see if I can come up with a more substantial backstory to explain the heraldry :( James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 19, 2009 Author Share Posted June 19, 2009 Hi all, thought I'd throw up some pics of how he's looking just now to show that I am actually working on him. He's a little messy at the moment, but then I'm kinda a messy painter. Don't worry, he'll be tidied up as I progress <_<. http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/armour1.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/bannerred.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/sword1.jpg Feel free to c&c, oh and if anyone has any colour suggestions for inside of his cloak, I'd like to hear them, as I'm kinda struggling with it just now. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Looking good. Did you choose to go with a dark-olive green color for his cloak, it's a little hard to make out in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanks Darthpotato. The 'olive green' is actually the pistol holster's basecoat of Chaos Black and Snakebite Leather, next layer is pure Snakebite Leather :) James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 A couple more photos, just showing how the colour scheme is shaping up on the banner and shoulder pad: http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/bannerwhite.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/shoulderguard.jpg James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistinthunder Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 this is AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanks Darthpotato. The 'olive green' is actually the pistol holster's basecoat of Chaos Black and Snakebite Leather, next layer is pure Snakebite Leather ;) James Ah, okay. The upper right part of his cloak (next to the Crux) looked like a drab olive color. So what color do intend to paint the cloak in then? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 A few more photos showing how he's coming along. I'm still stuck for a colour for the inside of his cloak, my girlfriend suggested I get on and paint what I can and see what suits once there's more colour on so that's what I'm going to do :down: http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/CASArmourRed.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/CASBannerGold.jpg http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/pigofsparta/Sons%20of%20Orar/CASSwordGold.jpg I'm a little stuck with the gold just now as the technique I'm trying out requires more Shining Gold, and I'm running really low :P I'm thinking of trying to use some Burnished Gold mixed with a brown colour to make the same shade... I just noticed the dodgy highlighting on the eagle on the banner I'm gonna get that fixed asap :D Any how, c&c is welcome as are suggestions for the cloak James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmalky Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Fantastic so far. I love the skull and wreath belt, the gold stands out perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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