nexus night Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 hey everyone, I just took a look at the GW website (Australian not to sure about you others) and as of june 1st all metal minatures have gone up 9 or so dollers. Now sisters squads are 69 australian and it's really annoying. and seeing that our armies are pretty much all metal i have a feeling that the inquisition is going slightly down hill as less players will want to spend that kind of money. Which leads me to the point as much as i love the detail on metal squads in the near future if and when we get new codexes i hope that they make plastic squads. What do you guys think as a long term thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
guillaume Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 GW has proven that they can make some incredibly detailed plastic models. If they could, they would have all armies as plastic. It is cheaper for them to produce, and they therefore make more profit since the cost of metal is going up. Whilst metal is useful to get extremely detailed models, resin also works (as Forgeworld as demonstrated times and times again), but I don't think that they have reached the same level of detail with plastic yet. Ultimately, there will be plastic once GW rewrite the codeces for DH and WH. Metal troops are unwieldy for players, and are not new/young players friendly. When? is the 1 million dollar (AUS or other) question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2009893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 hey everyone,I just took a look at the GW website (Australian not to sure about you others) and as of june 1st all metal minatures have gone up 9 or so dollers. Now sisters squads are 69 australian and it's really annoying. and seeing that our armies are pretty much all metal i have a feeling that the inquisition is going slightly down hill as less players will want to spend that kind of money. Which leads me to the point as much as i love the detail on metal squads in the near future if and when we get new codexes i hope that they make plastic squads. What do you guys think as a long term thing. I understand the concern but GW continue to state their commitment to ensuring that all forces with a codex will remain, *cough*, 'supported' although the level of support has not been specified and currently stands at the infrequent issue of FAQs/errata which does not necessarily cover the more pertinent issues associated with the codex. As it stands I'd have to say the =][= codecies are looking at a long wait before getting any new stuff. The rumours surrounding GK's have died down and with the release schedule looking the way it does even if they are ready for release (new GK mini's/sculpts have been rumoured for a good couple of years, PK has been rumoured to be working on a GK codex, however as always it's all smoke and mirrors) there are plenty other forces impatiently waiting in the wings for their chance to shine. If I had to take a punt at it I'd say new GK minis will get released well before any sisters and that SoB are very likely going to be the last of the full metal armies on the block. It will mean that SoB's & GK's will not draw new players into the fold, the rapidly increasing prohibitive cost combined with little attention in the regular press or suppliments (e.g. Planetstrike opening up AV13 HB turrets for 'armies of the imperium'.....BIIIG deal!!!) and the gradual removal of GK/SoB blisters from the shelves (when was the last time you saw a sister with meltagun on a GW shelf? For me it's been a long while) will mean that we true servants of the emperor will become few and far between. However, I'm keeping the faith and will continue to do so until my sisters become absolutely uncompetative....at which point I may very well call it a day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2009917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 As it stands I'd have to say the =][= codecies are looking at a long wait before getting any new stuff. The rumours surrounding GK's have died down and with the release schedule looking the way it does even if they are ready for release (new GK mini's/sculpts have been rumoured for a good couple of years, PK has been rumoured to be working on a GK codex, however as always it's all smoke and mirrors) there are plenty other forces impatiently waiting in the wings for their chance to shine. Forgeworld usually take up the cause of those neglected armies and put them in their Imperial Armour series. GKs are quite likely to be included in their next one, Vol. 7: Siege of Vraks Part Three. The only trouble with that is that they are even more expensive than GW. Whilst it doesn't solve the money side of things, there's a good chance Forgeworld will 'remind' GW about their neglected armies now and again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2009995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Forgeworld usually take up the cause of those neglected armies and put them in their Imperial Armour series. GKs are quite likely to be included in their next one, Vol. 7: Siege of Vraks Part Three. The only trouble with that is that they are even more expensive than GW. Whilst it doesn't solve the money side of things, there's a good chance Forgeworld will 'remind' GW about their neglected armies now and again.The thing is will there be a point at which GW will concede that SoB/GK's are no longer a viable asset and call a halt to production altogether? GK's I'm fairly certain will always have a home, they're a part of the woodwork of 40K and will get a major revamp at some point i'm sure, but SoB? I have to say that I have my doubts. There's been nothing, not even the slightest glimmer of work being undertaken to bring them up to date and as much as I want to believe what GW keeps stating to us I've got this nagging feeling that I've backed the wrong horse and that they'll go the way of the squats. That's just my take on it but there's been some form of news about EVERY other force out there apart from SoB, and to me that doesn't bode well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Bolter Clip Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 However, I'm keeping the faith and will continue to do so until my sisters become absolutely uncompetative....at which point I may very well call it a day. This statement really bums me out. It sounds so sad, like putting down a puppy... :mellow: That said, SOB's always sort have seemed like a "step child" in GW's eyes. (atleast in my opinion) And if memory serves, they were one of the last forces in the 40k universe to get a codex... best we had up until the current WH dex was the chapter approved spot from years ago.... and even that took years to get printed. I imagine that this go around will be no different, the best we could hope for would be a "unified =][= dex" in which WH, DH, and OX get lobbed together. Even then, that would only correct the rules issue, and we'd have to keep our fingers crossed that GW addresses the model situation for all the Ordos along with it. Doubtful, but I can dream... Empty Bolter Clip Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Well it's sad, it really is. As a new player with WH and the increase of metal model prices I got a bit hesitant if I'd continue with them... Said to myself "one more squad of sisters and I got them playable, that's enough." But I will cut down on the GW models all together for a while... Only trading stuff with people, I got plenty of stuff to trade. Heck, I'm even changing the company I buy paint from... From GW->Vallejo. I got a money problem... :) Now if GW decides to do a "squat" with SoB I'll personally get up to them and let them meet my never ending hordes of gaunts... <- read as: angry and very very bad language with a lot of swedish words making it pure gibberish. (wow, long explanation... Guys/Girls, learn tyranid I tell you :D ) ok, so anyway. This is sad. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 That's just my take on it but there's been some form of news about EVERY other force out there apart from SoB, and to me that doesn't bode well. It probably means no-one in the Design Studio plays SoBs at the moment. No matter what fanboy authors do to a codex, they will at least ensure the army gets one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 i stopped buying models from GW last year and moved to online, now with the nice price increases i don't buy new i just buy off ebay, bought my whole grey knight army for about 50-60% of the rrp, GW arn't getting any of my money except the compulsive purchase of the pretty picture book which is WD, cause it doesn't have any content in. O well, i'd love to buy GW, really turn it around Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Mos Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I suppose we should be happy that we still have a codex and model range. There are plenty of modeling/converting oppourtunities for GK. SOB not so much, but thats how things are for right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 It's not like plastic boxes are cheap though. And besides the quality of the metal SOBs sculpted by Jes will never be repeated in plastic. Ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltnot Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I've bought very little of my sister's army from Games Workshop. Most of it has come from Ebay. I'm now at the stage of buying a couple more models for each of the armies that I own currently to get them to a finished stage, and then I'm moving on to other games. I'll still play, but won't be buying unless GW picks up their act with rules releases or real errata. The way I see it, GW will die a slow death because of their stupid "Our codices are perfect and don't need errata" attitude. This wasn't the case back in the early days when they actually grew, but it's slow death time because of arrogance. Such a shame that they are so mule headed. I'm planning on moving onto Flames of War at the moment. Now that I own a sports car that likes to suck my money up, I'm happy to go smaller and spend less money to but an army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'm still buying GK figures (metal) from my FLGS, as it supports the game store so they stay around, supports GW's Daemonhunters sales so DH stays around, and it lets me do my part for the economy. When I can afford it, I'll be purchasing SoB vehicles from the same store, simply because I have a ton of the little ladies yet no plastic boxes for them scoot around in. That said, its both annoying to be on the receiving end of a price increase yet tragic to not support the local store you play at by purchasing figures on-line while still playing on the tables a retail store provides (not saying everyone does that, just saying enough people do that). All I can say is this is a hobby that requires money and/or creativity, leaving it up to each of us to pay/make our way through it. I hate painting, but I love playing and converting. If the rules change so that I've wasted my money (as happened when 2nd Ed went to 3rd), I'll drop the game. Until then, I'm picking up coins from the ground and saving it with any loose change I receive in order to make my next planned purchase, because that's how I afford to keep playing. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I'm not surprised. Food prices have been ratcheting upwards all year. Orange juice is out of sight. I figure I paint about one unit a month so it's not a big deal. If I was starting out from scratch it might be a bit daunting. The shame is that so many of the local players I know are in love with 2,000-point games and Apocalypse. That's not conducive to recruiting new players. Smaller point games are easier on the wallet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 yeh, even plastic angers me nowadays, putting it up to £20 a tactical squad? i mean it used to be £12, i know its a better kit but £2 a model is obscene Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 yeh, even plastic angers me nowadays, putting it up to £20 a tactical squad? i mean it used to be £12, i know its a better kit but £2 a model is obscene It's smurfs on the box... Reason enough... ^_^ Well as I said earlier I'll probably stop buying... You know that now I guess... Still I remember that the joy in opening that new box is great! Especially when it's models without ANY mouldlines at all! (I usualy tend to get these boxes when it's metal) Just wanted to add that... Anyhow, might start with Secrets of the third reich... Has had those around me for some time now... Will get some japanese guys when/if they come out... :lol: Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2010999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Rosette Soulknyt Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Nexus Night were in Australia are you, im down in Melbourne and i know a store that sells GW products at 20% off all the time, i picked up my Shadowsword for AUS $128. Its called Military Simulations the store and yes they post. Good hunting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2011033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiance Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 yeah, was looking at starting a wh/dh allied army but then the prices shot up so now have to slowly buy one unit at a time. if the prices go up much more in order to afford my dreamed up wh/dh army i might have to sell a kidney :) (off topic jeff, hey what store do you play at??? imperial outpost perchance?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2012005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus night Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 Nexus Night were in Australia are you, im down in Melbourne and i know a store that sells GW products at 20% off all the time, i picked up my Shadowsword for AUS $128. Its called Military Simulations the store and yes they post. Good hunting Really! thanks i live in geelong and we just got crappy old mind games =( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2012059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Rosette Soulknyt Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 No problems Nexus night, they are in Bentliegh in the Franksto line. I dont think many of us if any are happy with price rises and slow codex releases, but we cant complain to much if we love the game and play it all the time. I play WH and im patiently awaiting sometime in the next year or two a new Codex and hopefully plastics and some serious upgrading. Until then i ply against 5th ED armies and lose more than win, but i play it for fun not to powerplay and win like i know of some where i play. As one of the last of metal armies i have well over 250+ metal sisters and i know its cost me to much to think about, i mostly buy from ebay now when i can, or from a shop that charges an average 20% off GW products. I just bougth 3 penitant engines through mail order (only place i could get them) and that cost me $165 AUS. Well can only hope GW one day reads our letters and posts and makes a choice to work harder than they are now to puch our Codex's out and newer plastic miniatures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2012880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Moo Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Nexus Night were in Australia are you, im down in Melbourne and i know a store that sells GW products at 20% off all the time, i picked up my Shadowsword for AUS $128. Its called Military Simulations the store and yes they post. Good hunting Really! thanks i live in geelong and we just got crappy old mind games =( Hey! Kev does the best he can thank you :) GW dont leave much room for discounts/profit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2012959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skritz Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Are we ever going to get a new Daemonhunter codex? Im still torn between Khorne and Grey Knight and I can't make up my mind. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2014106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Yea, but while the smurfs are the poster child of 40k, Chaos in all its forms is the love child of our good GW.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2021145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 ... the best we could hope for would be a "unified =][= dex" in which WH, DH, and OX get lobbed together. ...I'm fairly confident from all the drivel I've gathered over the years, that we'll never see rules for my beloved Ordo Xenos, again. From what I recall they're the brainchild and toy of Gav when he was working on Inquisitor, and when he left the studio, which I was mostly glad for, as he was a terrible army list designer, he took with him the hope for any new OX forces. With the death of Chapter Approved, and studio statements about what armies will be supported, things look grim for them indeed. No 'New' armies for the foreseeable future, and viewed as too difficult to differentiate from the myriad of existing marine types. Similar statements point the probable direction for the revisions to future Inquisition codicies by removing great swaths of non-chamber units, many things that only got thrown in 'cause the studio was fresh off the high if Inquisitor and wanted to include all the many cool ideas Gavs project spawned. Suffice to say, when it comes to things like Arco-Flagellants, roll 'em if you got 'em while you can, 'cause in about five years they're likely going to get relegated to the shelf. Gav wasn't all bad, he just couldn't achieve internal list balance to save his books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2022088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 The thing is will there be a point at which GW will concede that SoB/GK's are no longer a viable asset and call a halt to production altogether? GK's I'm fairly certain will always have a home, they're a part of the woodwork of 40K and will get a major revamp at some point i'm sure, but SoB? I have to say that I have my doubts. There's been nothing, not even the slightest glimmer of work being undertaken to bring them up to date and as much as I want to believe what GW keeps stating to us I've got this nagging feeling that I've backed the wrong horse and that they'll go the way of the squats. That's just my take on it but there's been some form of news about EVERY other force out there apart from SoB, and to me that doesn't bode well. Sisters have been around since Codex Imperialis and Codex Army Lists in 1993, when Squats were still around. Squats and Grey Knights appeared in 1st Edition before Sisters came to be. On the other hand the Squats, and indeed the Grey Knights, never received a codex during 2nd Edition period. The Sisters did. The Squats disappeared sometime before 3rd Edition hit - the Sisters were the last codex of the 3rd Edition line and somehow remain effective even in 5th. Sisters received a nod in Apocalypse Reload with the Holy War Strategic Asset, and leak of the Planetstrike page of contents seems to have a nod to them once again. Sisters even appeared in Dawn of War - the Grey Knights had to be added through a mod. There's hope for the Sisters yet. It's a little late to pull the carpet from under their feet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170177-gw-are-taking-away-my-wallet/#findComment-2023364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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