Skritz Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 How many company does a Pre-Heresy Legion posses? More than 10, thats a fact. I heard about a 15th Company and I can assume there are more. I know it vary between Legion, however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ufthak Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Good Question. Fluff is somewhat inconsistent: -The Horus Heresy series suggest the Legions to be organized into a number of companies (different within each Legion) - Garviel Loken's 10th Company of the Lunar Wolves being an example. These companies are larger than their 40K counterparts - Loken's has about 600 marines, if I can well remember - and each is a small army in itself. - The Horus Heresy Collected Visions states that the Legions were all roughly organized like this: The Legion is composed of a number of regiments (or chapters, or cohorts, or Grand Companies, call it what you will depending on the Legion) of about 1000 marines each. These Regiments are organized into usually 2 Battalions of 500 marines, which in turn are organized into 5 companies of 100 marines. Looks like it's up to you to choose what you believe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2012687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skritz Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 How many company does a Pre-Heresy Legion posses? More than 10, thats a fact. I heard about a 15th Company and I can assume there are more. I know it vary between Legion, however. Great, more inconsistent fluff! :rolleyes: I guess its another one of the "historic" hole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2012690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 It is implied in a lot of different texts that the Legions were split up into smaller formations called Chapters, which in turn were made up of Companies. And in others it just mentions companies. Obviously before the Codex Astartes the different Legions had their own military organisation, so anything is possible really. Did you have a specific Legion in mind? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2012789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Another problem is that we have not yet encountered any Legion at the point where it was founded. With a few exceptions the fluff impliys that all the legions continued to grow in size after there founding; especial after being reunited with ther primearchs. Also each Primearch reshaped the organisation of his Legion to sute his personal style of battle further confusing the situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2012896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skritz Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 According to the Lexicanum, the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion has a 19th Company, but it leave open the possibility of more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2013656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I think that the Ultramarines were most likely organised into chapters of a thousand marines which each formed a company. It's hard to say with any certainty how big the legions truely were as they are often refered to in the tens of thousands of marines. Also each expedition was backed up by regiments of the Imperial Army so the fighting formations were pretty massive. I'd imagine that before the discovery of the Primarchs each Legion was uniform, most likely based on the Proto-Astartes Regiments of the Unification Wars. Once the Legions were reunited with their Primarchs they probably reformed their structure to suit their new homeworlds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2013983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Looks like it's up to you to choose what you believe... Quoted for Truth. Personally I have a nostalgic attachment to the Heresy era Astartes Regimental system from WD126 where each legion* had up to 20 regiments each comprised of 3 battalions of 3 numbered companies (though in fact every battalion had an extra companies worth of units, plus another two at the regimental level). As a random aside this is why post-heresy chapters 10th company lacks a company colour: the Ultras company colours haven't changed since the WD129 colour guide which was presented as post-heresy, however the concept sketches show that the schemes therein were designed for the Heresy era regimental system. * well, chapter by the terminology of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2014043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Actually the Luna Wolves had a 25th company :) source: Horus Rising Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2014665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Each Legion appears to be different. The Space Wolves, for example, are pretty much as they always were. 12/13 Grand Companies. The Death Guard only had seven companies and that was it, nothing larger other than the Legion but these were massive Companies. The Word Bearers had Chapters instead of Companies (and Chaplains instead of Captains). The Luna Wolves, Imperial Fists and Ultramarines, at the very least, appeared to just have "Companies" and then Legion above it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2014667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
conor777 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I belive that the Emperors Children had a grand total of 6,000 marines (as they only had 200 at start) and these were split into 30 companies. so im guessing (inc support) 200 marines per company (maybe in an image of the survivors at the start) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170375-pre-heresy-company/#findComment-2161061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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