dragon950 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Storm sheilds are nice to have if your going to be in combat the entire time, but since storm sheilds only work in close combat. Terminator armor is a better all around save that allows you to have the extra attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ah crap, I overlooked that the WL is clad in TDA... sorry for questioning your judgement then, I seem to need an optician :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Storm sheilds are nice to have if your going to be in combat the entire time, but since storm sheilds only work in close combat. Terminator armor is a better all around save that allows you to have the extra attack. Â Since when do Storm Shields only work in close combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Storm sheilds are nice to have if your going to be in combat the entire time, but since storm sheilds only work in close combat. Terminator armor is a better all around save that allows you to have the extra attack. Â Since when do Storm Shields only work in close combat? Old school storm shields... like BT and GK stormshields. Â Thankfully Space Wolves have upgraded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 right...a revised army list:  wolf lord frost blade storm bolter wolf tooth necklace runic charm wolf pelt terminator armour  5x wolf guard bodyguard 2x thunder hammers 2x storm shields 2x pair of lightning claws assault cannon chainfist 5x runic charms terminator armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Why a stormbolter? A combiweapon is about as good with the relentless rule you get from TDA, and a combiweapon gives you an extra attack in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 If you're not charging/counter charging. Otherwise the # of attacks break even. Â Why not bust him down to a WGBL and sort him with an Assault Cannon or Cyclone Missile Launcher instead of either a combi weapon or storm bolter? We're in Terminator Armor anyway, so might as well take absolute full advantage and rawk out. Â And only 1 assault cannon in that bodyguard? Tsk Tsk... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Apparently he wants to run it cheap? I find this unit does better when given all the resources it needs, but trim the frills as desired. Â Needs: CCWs that ignore armor saves, Runic Charms, 2+ Heavy Weapons, 1+ Storm Shield, 1+ Weapon that is str 8. Frills: WTNs, 3+ Heavy weapons, Combis, Wolf Priest, Fenrisian Wolves. Other: Drop Pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2018889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Best on the cheap build I found is  AC/PF TDA AC/LC TDA SB/SS TDA SB/SS TDA  This way, using smart wound allocation, it's not such a big loss when missing a 3+ invol save.  WG Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 right...a revised army list: wolf lord frost blade storm bolter wolf tooth necklace runic charm wolf pelt terminator armour  5x wolf guard bodyguard 2x thunder hammers 2x storm shields 2x pair of lightning claws assault cannon chainfist 5x runic charms terminator armour  if you dont mind me ask.. how many pts are these guys in total.. i think its quite a point sink.  cheer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 146+305= 451pts. Â For the Wolf Lord and Retinue. If he dropped him down to a battle leader with assault cannon insteadof storm bolter it becomes- 453pts. Â A drop pod is another 35, option for another assault cannon in place of a lighting claw for +15pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 146+305= 451pts. For the Wolf Lord and Retinue. If he dropped him down to a battle leader with assault cannon insteadof storm bolter it becomes- 453pts.  A drop pod is another 35, option for another assault cannon in place of a lighting claw for +15pts.  That a real point sink.. playing 1500pts.. would drain 1/3 of your total points just for 5+1 guy... i would rather take 3x8 BC with 2PF each & that would only cost me 408pts. But if you want it for the feel.. then that would be great. I personally would take a BL with TDA & AC & FB. Plus an additional AC.. having 3 AC in a squad of termie is nothing to joke about. And place 3 pack of BC around them... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Ive had very good experiances with throwing a 5 man squad at around 400pts in a 1500pt match. I run this: Â WGBL- FB, AC, Pelt WGBG- CF, AC WGBG- LC, AC WGBG- PW, SS WBGB- LC, C-M Â All in TDA w/ RC. Runs 380pts, without a drop pod. Regularly gets its points back, and has taken 2000pts of Tau Shooting and 2000pts of DE shooting+Assault for an entire turn, to die at the hands of the lowest I5 Dark Eldar, after killing a raider and five of the Archons Bodygaurd from the WBGL. Â So I think theyre worth it, much of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 okay. maybe i should change the idea to an apocolaypse game. the army is designed to have lots of drop pods and supporting tanks. long fangs are too good to not use!  right:  wolf lord thunder hammer assault cannon wolf pelt terminator armour runic charm  =128pts.  5x wolf guard 5x terminator armour 2x combi-meltas 3x frost blades assault cannon 2x pair of lightning claws 5x wolf pelts 5x runic charms  =320pts.  Total = 448pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 A Wolf Lord canna take an assault cannon, youll have to make him a WGBL to do so. Note that he doesnt have the line about WG options in his profile eh? Â You also still canna take frostblades on ye wolf gaurd bodygaurds lad. Tis nah possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 right, after ANOTHER *bleepin* revised list i'm going overkill on the firepower so here goes:  wolf guard battle leader assault cannon frost blade wolf pelt terminator armour  5x wolf guard bodyguard 5x terminator armour 5x runic charms 5x wolf pelts assault cannon 3x lightning claws 2x storm shields 2x thunder hammers 3x combi-meltas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 right, after ANOTHER *bleepin* revised list i'm going overkill on the firepower so here goes: Â DeffWolf, Â You might just want to move over to here: Space Wolves Army List Subforum and take a look through all of the good Army List advice. This would probably give you a better idea for how to create a decent, balanced, complete list for your Space Wolves. Â Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 right, oki doki - cheers val. ill make sure i do. is that a solid bodyguard and hq right now or have peeps seen better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 7 termies with 4 lightning claws, 3 TH/SS, all runic charms, company banner, wtn, led by Ragnar and Rune Priest in a LRC. Only in apocalypse. "All is fair in love and apocalypse!" Maybe even three cyclone missile launchers but that's debatable! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 dirty, dirty tactics mikal. are cyclones any good? Â Deff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2019675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 dirty, dirty tactics mikal. are cyclones any good? Deff   Hey it's apocalypse! Yeah cyclones are good, 30 points for two frag/krak missiles a turn and the ability to fire a storm bolter. Yes I know it's nasty. 13 frost blade attacks on the charge, 24 lightning claw attacks and 15 thunder hammer attacks, if you're really nasty, and rich, you buy a thunderhawk, throw an extra two WGBG in, Grimnar with his rule and you used to be sble to use Ulrik as well to gain an extra attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2020330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 no worries mate, im just kidding. Â good tactic though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2020440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I know, I was just kidding with you! It makes people panic. It can even take on "Da Green Tide". Particularly as at my club stormcaller knocks the opponent to initiative 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2020468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeffWolf Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 wth? thats dirty. which gw do you go to? one in america i imagine as there are hardly any brits on here compared to the amount of americans. ah well. its really frustrating because my *native* gw is quite small and is full of kids - there again i dont go at night as im only 14. however its annoying as im the only space wolf player...hehe - ive found another really dirty one. full firepower battle leader coming right up:  wgbl assault cannon cyclone missile launcher terminator armour frost blade runic charm wolf pelt wolf tooth necklace  mwahahaha. put fear into the hearts of russ!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2020689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Yes it's dirty, but thats the idea of apocalypse, anything goes. And I'm a Brit and don't go to a GW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170725-what-invulnerable-save-do-space-wolf-hqs-have/page/2/#findComment-2020715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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