UnderCurrent Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Maybe I'm just dumb, but reading the section on allies, it seems that the units you add to the army exist outside of the normal FOC. For example, a Space Marine army could have a chaplain, and MOTF, then you could ally in a GK Hero or Inq Lord and it would be acceptable. Is this the consensus? It would seem logical that the allies would be an independent detachment and thus would have a different FOC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Allied units from the Inquisition that you bring into your Space Marine (or IG) army take up the force org slots they normally would. That means you can't take two Marine HQs if you want an Inquisitor Lord, GK Hero, or Sororitas Heroine, too. Playing with separate detachments is not really part of the main rules; you'd have to work that out with your opponent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2017557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanDrake Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Allied units from the Inquisition that you bring into your Space Marine (or IG) army take up the force org slots they normally would. That means you can't take two Marine HQs if you want an Inquisitor Lord, GK Hero, or Sororitas Heroine, too. Playing with separate detachments is not really part of the main rules; you'd have to work that out with your opponent. However like everything published by GW there's ways to bend,break and avoid the rules for example Brother captain stern is classed as an HQ choice but is not counted as a HQ choice towards the FOC. The list I am working on uses a similar thing with the Black Templars as the EC can be taken as the compulsery HQ choice but again does not count against the FOC wich allows me to run allies led by a Cannoness and a Grand Master and for good measure you could still take Brother Captain Stern and his retinue if you had the points. There are other combo's to take but just read the FAQ's and Eratte on the gw website and the relevent codexs to find them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2018893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 ... for example Brother captain stern is classed as an HQ choice but is not counted as a HQ choice towards the FOC. ... ... If you take him then he counts as one of the HQ choices for the army. ...Full Stop. Where you you get the idea that Captain stern doesn't take up a slot on your org chart? Just 'cause he doesn't count against your 0-1 grey knight heroes, doesn't mean he's supernumerary. Characters that are have this clearly spelled out in their descriptions, examples of this are the previously mentioned Emperors Champion, and Imperial Guard Techpriests. Further, Characters that do not use up org chart places can not be used to fulfil compulsory selection requirements. Such a Templar force would require at least one other Templar character to be legal. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2018947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 However like everything published by GW there's ways to bend,break and avoid the rules for example Brother captain stern is classed as an HQ choice but is not counted as a HQ choice towards the FOC. Actually, the DH codex specifically says that BC Stern "counts as one of the HQ choices for the army". He takes of force org slot like most other HQ units. (The BT EC an obvious exception. ^_^) What Stern allows you to do is field two GK Terminator units for your HQ slots. (You are normally restricted to just a single generic GK Hero.) Fielding him is the only way you could field 5 GKT units in a DH army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2018956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanDrake Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ok I stand corrected about Brother Stern though I could have sworn I read that he did not count towards the foc guess thats what I get for using 3 codexs and 3 sets of faq's to make my army:) Oh and theEC is mentioned in the FAQ as not counting towards the foc so at least I was correct about that. :( What Stern allows you to do is field two GK Terminator units for your HQ slots. (You are normally restricted to just a single generic GK Hero.) Fielding him is the only way you could field 5 GKT units in a DH army. Yep or 2 units of GKT's in an allied list which is what i'm considering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2018982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Yep or 2 units of GKT's in an allied list which is what i'm considering. You don't need Stern for that, either. :woot: You are restricted to two GKT units by virtue of the fact that you are restricted to 1 allied HQ choice and 1 allied Elites choice. But the fact is you can't take Stern as an ally. He may only be used as an HQ choice in DH armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2019612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Such a Templar force would require at least one other Templar character to be legal. Actually, whilst the Emperor's Champion does not use up a HQ slot, he can, according to the FaQ, still be used as the compulsory HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2020227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Actually, whilst the Emperor's Champion does not use up a HQ slot, he can, according to the FaQ, still be used as the compulsory HQ.That FAQ writer needs to be slapped. It shouldn't matter if what category a figure nominally fills, if it doesn't fill of a slot in the org chart, it doesn't fill up a slot in the org chart. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2020789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanDrake Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Actually, whilst the Emperor's Champion does not use up a HQ slot, he can, according to the FaQ, still be used as the compulsory HQ.That FAQ writer needs to be slapped. It shouldn't matter if what category a figure nominally fills, if it doesn't fill of a slot in the org chart, it doesn't fill up a slot in the org chart. :drool: I'm pretty sure it's because he is comulsory in relativley small lists from 750pts up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2021003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 And thus not forcing one to take two characters in small games over 750pts. The logic works, I can see the EC leading a small group from a fighting company. For a start 40k games are often a small part of a larger battle on the planet/city etc. But going a little bit off-topic now B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/170758-allies-inquiry/#findComment-2021068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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