lothbrok Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 i was just wondering what would happen if a space wolf turned to khorne. would he turn into some half wulfen thing or be just another berserker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Well, genetically speaking, it would be almost impossible for a wolf to fully turn and still maintain his sanity. When a wolf starts to feel the corruption of chaos, his body's response is to unleash the wulfen within him to resist (and most likely to destroy whatever is making him feel this way). If the influence gets to be too much, the wulfen will fully take over and he would be rendered nothing more than a feral beast. There's a reason why the 13th Co are able to survive in the Eye for so long. There's also a reason why they have all those wulfen. It doesnt matter to which aspect of chaos a Wolf could fall, it's that he wouldnt be able to fall very far before his genetics took over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2022939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 He would of course still be worthless and a traitor. The Wulfen Curse isnt perfect, some can still fall. Its a rare thing, but its known to happen. And Im not talking about that stupid story with Huron. Its quite simple- of all the imperium only two organizations have ever failed to have a member turn to chaos- Grey Knights and Custodes. Even sisters for all their faith have had one known chaos follower, and everyone else has had more. Wich means, besides that idiot story there must be atleast two wolves who have fallen to chaos in the last 10k years. Even if a full 20 had been lost to such folly, it would be a good record compared to almost anyone else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2023125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothbrok Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 now firsted off id like to ask what story are you talking about. and seconded i thought we had an entire great company fall to chaos at one point. however im probally wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2023998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Never happens. Only two places a Space Wolf can be. Loyal Asartes or Wulfen. Period. End of discussion. We are the only chapter...sorry, legion NEVER to have fallen to chaos! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiltedMarine Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 now firsted off id like to ask what story are you talking about. and seconded i thought we had an entire great company fall to chaos at one point. however im probally wrong There's a piece of heretical slander in C:CSM describing the loss of a Space Wolf battle barge (or strike cruiser, I forget and don't have the book to hand) brought about when a number of Wolves turned traitor and surrendered to Huron Blackheart, handing him control of the ship. It's all lies, undoubtedly spread by the Alpha Legion's agents, or worse, the Dark Angels... :D Our Codex's inside back cover is illustrated by a pictorial report by a servant of the =I= who scribbles notes in the margins about "evidence of heresy" or some such in regard to the 13th Company, which is what you may be thinking of. But then, the =I= has never liked us, and we know the truth. Don't we? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Well, genetically speaking, it would be almost impossible for a wolf to fully turn and still maintain his sanity. When a wolf starts to feel the corruption of chaos, his body's response is to unleash the wulfen within him to resist (and most likely to destroy whatever is making him feel this way). If the influence gets to be too much, the wulfen will fully take over and he would be rendered nothing more than a feral beast. There's a reason why the 13th Co are able to survive in the Eye for so long. There's also a reason why they have all those wulfen. It doesnt matter to which aspect of chaos a Wolf could fall, it's that he wouldnt be able to fall very far before his genetics took over. SPOT ON OLDE CHAP!!! SPOT ON INDEED!!! Nailed that one on the head. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Never happens. Only two places a Space Wolf can be. Loyal Asartes or Wulfen. Period. End of discussion. We are the only chapter...sorry, legion NEVER to have fallen to chaos! Wulfen are not a chaos mutation. The wulfen proivdes alot of protection but it is not infalliable. It really really helps though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Considering there's no actual documented proof (beyond what's written in the C:CSM, and who's gonna take that as dogma when an entire supposed strike cruiser, ie, roughly great company strength, goes traitor (damn Alpha Legion propaganda)), and the relatively few wulfen in any company except for the 13th legion, I would say that the wulfen gene is a damn fine defense. If you take into consideration the turnover from fallen bretheren every time the wolves go to war, and the new inductees being thrown into battle as bloodclaws and working their way up, even taking into account all the POSSIBLE turns to chaos, and all the wulfen gathered together, you are looking at something like a 0.0001% chance (we're talking a few slipups over the course of 10,000 years, with perhaps hundreds of thousands of marines cycled through the chapter in that time). Speaking simply in terms of genetic drift and chance mutation, this is about what you would plan to see in a population for variancies to the genetic normal (in this case the wulfen being effective). You gotta give the emperor credit, he knew how to make a primarch resistant to chaos if I ever saw one. Since the GK's have no primarch, other than the rumor of the emperor himself, you gotta say that the wolves are perhaps the least likely to turn traitor out of any of the genetic stock in the galaxy. We have no successor chapters to shun for turning to the darkside. We just have ourselves in all our wolfy greatness :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Ok, time to put my Devils Advocate hat on: Firstly, whilst many Wolves may not have fallen to Chaos as such, there are Renegade Great Companies, or even just warbands. Some will be acting in Russ' name, and for the good of the Imperium, but some may well be acting in their own interests. In this way, they could be seen as traitors and with the Imperiums mindset, 1 Traitor = Bunch of Traitors. Secondly, whilst the Wulfen Mark prevents corruption, Wolves can still act for Chaos - the Dead Sky, Black Sun Novel features a Wolf Brother Marine who eventually falls in league with the Iron Warriors. Finally - we know that the Wulfen aren't Chaos Touched. But would an outsider know that? After all, they are hardly human, and look fairly similar to the beastmen abhumans - which most =][= would happily torch as warp spawn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I agree with Vass. There will always be Renegades. For any chapter excluding the '2'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171194-just-a-really-strange-idea/#findComment-2024839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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