SoulReaver296 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 So my friend has been wanting me to come up with a 40k survival game based on plauge zombies. I've almost finished, except i want to have an included squad with the rules (so you can have a complete package, but still allowing people to choose from their own codex). I thought a squad from the Ordo Sepulturum would work nicely, except i don't know what to do with it, as i haven't found anything detailed on them. If there isn't, then i would just like your opinion, recognizing that no one is right or wrong. Would they prefer the protection of power armor, or the mobility of carapace? would they prefer long, mid, or short ranged shooting (as focusing on melee seems somewhat silly in this instance)? would they focus on methodical disposal (sniper rifles, long las), or outright destruction (plasma, melta)? (note: while it is a small ordo, which might make it harder to obtain things like plasma weapons or power armor, i like to think that they are just a specialized branch of the Ordo Malleus (or at least close knit) as the obliterator virus and zombie plauge ARE products of Chaos, so they would be willing to lend them some supplies) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I thought a squad from the Ordo Sepulturum would work nicely, except i don't know what to do with it, as i haven't found anything detailed on them. If there isn't, then i would just like your opinion, recognizing that no one is right or wrong.There's a piece on them in the Thorian Sourcebook, available from the Inquisitor section of the GW website. Would they prefer the protection of power armor, or the mobility of carapace? would they prefer long, mid, or short ranged shooting (as focusing on melee seems somewhat silly in this instance)? would they focus on methodical disposal (sniper rifles, long las), or outright destruction (plasma, melta)?As far as we know, the Ordo has no Chamber Militant, it's far too small and new, but they are likely to have a load of Inquisitorial stormtroopers, so carapace armoured troops with the usual mix of hellguns, shotguns, special weapons and the like would seem reasonable. Perhaps a few flamers for burning infected bodies... As for their tactics, that would no doubt depend on the Inquisitor leading them - different Inquisitors will no doubt have different ideas about how to combat the threat. (note: while it is a small ordo, which might make it harder to obtain things like plasma weapons or power armor, i like to think that they are just a specialized branch of the Ordo Malleus (or at least close knit) as the obliterator virus and zombie plauge ARE products of Chaos, so they would be willing to lend them some supplies)Just because the Ordo is small doesn't mean it'll have any difficulty in aquiring battlefield grade weapons and armour - it's members are still Inquisitors and can thus requisition anything they can get they hands on. They're definitely not a branch of the Malleus, but it is reasonable to suppose some of its members have links with that Ordo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2023087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sniper rifles? Since when have snipers ever been effective against undead flesh? It all depends, I suppose, on the nature of these zombies in question. Perhaps they are the traditional sort of zombies out of George Romero movies - they fear fire but feel no pain, and stop moving when their brains are destroyed. Perhaps they are like the Hunters kind that need no brains, and are animated by their muscle even when separated from their heads, but will fall apart as they decay in warm weather. Perhaps they are really little more than fleshy skeletons, and can move about by the powers of Chaos and magic even when the supporting muscle is burned away. Or perhaps they are the type that appear in Diablo, raised not from whole bodies but knit together from the scattered remains of every human and animal corpse that has ever been buried within the radius of the next mile - the type that can only be gotten rid of by burning the dead and grinding their bones and feeding it all to the sea. In game terms I assume they would have Feel No Pain and would come in disturbingly large numbers - plasma is the weapon of choice against them, preferably vehicle-mounted to prevent models from dropping off due to Gets Hot. A Devil Dog is the preferred vehicle if available for use, but nothing puts out as much AP2 fire as an Eradicator with plasma sponsons. Just say flamers don't burn hot enough and quick enough to incinerate the shambling bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2023335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulReaver296 Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sniper rifles? Since when have snipers ever been effective against undead flesh? I was thinking of the slug throwing variety (which still are in use, right?), as opposed to the needle type as for what kind of zombie? the basic one is your bog standard shambling mass of fearless dead flesh, brought low only by destruction of the head (or complete annihilation), and not very bright. Of course, for some variety, there are some different types of "specialized" zombies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2023535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mike Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I too beleive the safest bet is the shambling horde, blow their head off and they die idea. And able to withstand having arms or limbs removed. As for the ordo, I'd say Stormtroopers, with a power armoured flame crazy inq. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2023732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 ISTs armed with shotguns and flamers would seem like the obvious choice for fluff reasons. However, I'd say that nothing beats rapid-fire explosive rounds for taking out large groups of slow enemies. So, bolter weapons might be preferable (stormbolters on acolyte retinues perhaps, heavy bolter servitors, that kind of thing). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2023946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Sniper rifles? Since when have snipers ever been effective against undead flesh? It seems like a fairly good choice for the type of zombie that will only be killed by a headshot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2024011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 A fairly interesting thread, I must admit! I would say zombie scrubs would be ws1, s3, t3, no save, feel no pain, slow and purposeful, fearless, may not take cover saves. Toughness 2, per the zombie horde in apoc, seems pathetic--they are as tough as a regular human, but feel no pain (thus why you need a head shot). As for flamers, while I would agree that a modern flamer might not be all that effective as the zombie shambles forward, the flamers in 40k are likely to reduce the entire unarmored body to ash in seconds--the flamer's spray has the same power and armor penetrating abilities as a .75 caliber armor piercing high explosive shell. The inquisitors would probably use IST and their influence to request space marines or IG troops. Thus, rules wise I would use WHs as the base army, to gain access to things like arco-flagelents to represent special 'anti zombie' monstrosities. I would take no sisters, just IST with induced guard or marines. Penitent engines would also fit in very well as an 'anti zombie' machine designed to reap through the dead like a thresher reaps through wheat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2025909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think an Ordo Sepulturum army would have terminators as well. Why? Because it would be devastating against plague zombies and likely protect the person inside from the horrors of the virus. An Ordo Sepulturum army would also probably lots of flamers and as it doesn't have it's own Ordo Militiant I am positive it would requisition Grey Knights or some small organization to accompany them on there missions. (so just temporary sorta like requsitioned marines) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2025931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 If you want some fun try my old Ordo Sepulturum Prodigor Goliath Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2025973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think an Ordo Sepulturum army would have terminators as well. Using Terminators to kill zombies is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut - it's overkill. The Grey Knights are a part of the Ordo Malleus, and are not for the general use of any Inquisitor who wants them, but an Ordo Sepulturum Inquisitor could requisition Astartes from another chapter (or anyone else he wants) - but using marines to kill zombies is still over-kill. Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are likely to be more than sufficient in most cases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2026203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus6 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I can see this type of force being mixed,...for general outbreaks I can see IST being the mainstay. For the limited little out of the way areas that you want to stay quiet then I can see a contingent of SoB. For the big stuff where you need mobility and firepower then a squad or two of SM (Sternguard or GK) would do nicely. Severus6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2026271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think an Ordo Sepulturum army would have terminators as well. Using Terminators to kill zombies is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut - it's overkill. The Grey Knights are a part of the Ordo Malleus, and are not for the general use of any Inquisitor who wants them, but an Ordo Sepulturum Inquisitor could requisition Astartes from another chapter (or anyone else he wants) - but using marines to kill zombies is still over-kill. Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are likely to be more than sufficient in most cases. Well, maybe. But, the Emperor wants them utterly obliterated ;) And how strong are these zombies? Are they the shambling mass of hundreds or supr-strong. Since I play WFB to I would the mass of hundreds. Now that you think of it, why would they even fight the zombies. They would probably just bomb them out... But, then again I could see a small zombie outbreak and a force of inducted imperial guard under an inquisitor fighting it so they don't have to exterminate the entire planet through bombing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2026422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 But, then again I could see a small zombie outbreak and a force of inducted imperial guard under an inquisitor fighting it so they don't have to exterminate the entire planet through bombing. Who would promptly be purged to prevent any further taint... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2027403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 What would a radical from Ordo Sepulturum use, and what rules would they use? Some kind of undead I imagine... thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2027987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 DevianID Posted Yesterday, 11:21 PM What would a radical from Ordo Sepulturum use, and what rules would they use? Some kind of undead I imagine... thoughts? Biological warfare, I imagine, trying use his knowledge to turn the zombie plague against various xeno races. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2028190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Remember that radicalism is not solely using the enemy's weapons against them. There are plenty of radical philosophies that do not involve using daemon-weapons, xeno-tech etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2028197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyson_Vore Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 But the Ordo Sepulturum are Puritan, with the Thorian faction. They are studying the Zombie Plague to see if it can be used to bring back the Emperor. Hence why the information about them are in the Thorian Sourcebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2028963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_POINTED_STICK Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 My opinion? Guard Codex. Mechanized Vets with demo charges and meltas and flamers. Mod the chimera a bit to look more like a AAV-7A1. Have the top hatches opened and a bunch of men popping out. Drive these boys around and have them storm stuff and pop out toss their demo charges and flame buildings. A bunch of these will saturate zombies with the roar of multi lasers, the snap crack of lasguns, rushing flamer gouts, blinding blasts of melta, and the earth shaking thump of satchel charges. Its the Inquisition. Even the average troopers role in style. Should be a decent list anyway. Oh and use Manticores in HS and Banewolves in FA to add some support. Using Creed and Kell, Bastonne, and Marbo could be fun if modeled coolly to fit the list. (INQUISITION ISN'T POWER ARMOR IMO SO DEAL WITH IT :P ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2028997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 But the Ordo Sepulturum are Puritan, with the Thorian faction. They are studying the Zombie Plague to see if it can be used to bring back the Emperor. Hence why the information about them are in the Thorian Sourcebook.The Ordo Sepulturum is notable in that its founding members were Thorians, and it would be fair to assume that members of that faction are still influential within the Ordo - however not all members of the Sepulturum are Thorians but the Thorian sourcebook only concentrates on those members who are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171205-ordo-sepulturum/#findComment-2029080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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