hummus Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 i have a demon hunter army if i have inducted guard can i take sob allies as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 You can have both so long as you don't include any inducted guard in your contingent of Allies (which there would be no reason to do even if it weren't illegal since WH and DH induct the same units anyway). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2023317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 i have a demon hunter armyif i have inducted guard can i take sob allies as well? Yes, you can have a DH army, inducted IG, and allied WH units as well. Inducted units aren't "allied"; they are part of the parent army's force organization chart, though with a few restrictions on how they may be taken. (E.g., must take 1 HQ and 2 Troops from the Inquisition codex proper first, etc.) Part of the clue that induction isn't the same as allying is the rules verbiage, but also the fact that force organization slots (and force org restrictions) are listed that are oftentimes entirely different from the source codex. For example, if you are taking inducted Space Marines, you can take a SM Dreadnought, but it occupies a Heavy Support slot, not Elites. And there are several 0-1 restrictions on IG choices that aren't present in the IG codex itself. Etc., etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2023460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Hold on a second...can somebody explain the difference between inducted and allied? I have read it cover to cover and still don't understand the difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Inducted troops are Imperial Guard or Space Marines added to a WH or DH force. There is no limit to how many may be taken (unless it's a 0-1 choice) but you may only take the units listed under the induction rules. Allied troops are WH or DH added into any other Imperium army (WH, DH, IG, or SM). You may take up to one HQ, one Elite, two Troops, and one Fast Attack as allies. In both cases, the minmum FOC requirements (one HQ and two Troops) have to be fulfilled from the parent codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Although one should note that Space Marines are limited in this aspect-- if you include Grey Knights or Sisters of Battle, you cannot include Marines. This is because they'd sooner use the Guard, Knights, or Sisters than use up their various favors witht he Marines, and save those favors for when they really have no other choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Although one should note that Space Marines are limited in this aspect-- if you include Grey Knights or Sisters of Battle, you cannot include Marines. This is because they'd sooner use the Guard, Knights, or Sisters than use up their various favors witht he Marines, and save those favors for when they really have no other choices. That's an interesting way to look at it. I always thought it was because Sisters and Knights are less likely to become corrupted and guard are expendable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissia Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Astartes are collectively anything but friendly with the Inquisition, feeling that they often overstep their bounds especially in regards to regulating the Astartes. So an Inquisitor is far more likely to only call upon an Astartes chapter with which they have rapport, and they don't want to waste that rapport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 That's one of the better fluff explanations I've heard for why SoBs or GKs can't be taken with Marines (though the real reason is game balance of course). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Well I suppose Melissia is right because in the eyes of the Inquisition everyone is expendable, I just thought wrong about the Inquisition and it's nice to be informed, cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2044792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 That clears it all up. Cheers. Now I can ally some Guard with my Daemonhunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2055763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toogeloo Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 IIRC, the only inducted army is the Imperial Guard. Space Marines are not inducted into a Hunter dex with the Inquisition, they are allied in as a "favor" to the inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171230-question-about-allies/#findComment-2055945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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