Hellbreaker Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 On another forum I saw a thread about a guy/girl having IG getting a warhound. Instantly I thought "wait, what if SoB has titans!" So I looked on the forgeworld site... To my disappointment they didn't have any titans nor super heavies... I didn't expect any thou. :P Now another thought sprung to my mind... How could I use a regular warhound and stormsword/stormblade/whatever for my SoB in apoc without including IG? How should I model it? Noticed the warhound can have a flamer, or was it the reaver? ;) So if I was to actually sometime(when my SoB army is big enough) to get a warhound, how should I decorate it to represent it being part of my SoB army and what weapons? But first, how do I use it without IG? This could be to much use for me in the future so all responses are welcome. ^_^ EDIT: Damn forgeworld and their shiny stuff! :) Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Firstly, the fluff does not support non-Mechanicus forces directly controlling Imperial Titans. Full Stop. So, no, per the background, you should never, ever, include a titan in your sisters colour scheme. No non-Mechanicus force should. Super heavy tanks are another case, they are issued directly to the Imperial Guard, but generally not to other forces. Inducting a super heavy tank is tantamount to including a formation of Guard. The fluff does, however, support the Mechanicus assigning Titans to support a myriad of other Imperial formations. So, it is entirely conceivable and appropriate for your to acquire one to support your forces. Yes, Warhounds can have giant flamers. They are awesome. You could even take two and go on a burnination rampage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakehunter52 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yeah, Eddie pretty much hit it dead on. There is almost no way to get around it without bending the fluff into nice bow ties (like a forge world that is completely made up of the descendants of Sister and Commissars which converted to the Ad Mech but have a total belief that the Emperor is the Machine God and yeah...) What could be up your ally is the Navy. Don't quote me on this but I get the impression that since the SoB falls under the exception (being an army of the Ecclessiarchy and of a grammatical error), it could be possible that they operate like Space Marines, that they transport and ferry their own. Now wouldn't that be something, having your own Saintly Thunderbolts or Holy Mauraders? But giant walkers....not going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I like to imagine that the SoB might have a very small number of Super-heavy tanks gifted from the Mechanicus as thanks/debt repayment for many past favours etc. Maybe a convent's sisters found part of a STC on their shrine world, maybe they excelled above and beyond the call of duty in defence of an important Forge World, you get the idea. I'm certainly having fun trying to work out how I'll explain my WIP Sisters Baneblade in such a way... Titans, however, are probably right out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxxon the Dragoon Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 you can field a titan, its allowed in apoc games, take a look at where its slated under : SUPPORTING WAR MACHINE DETACHMENTS, under both space marine and IG lists, so yes, you can use a titan if they have it listed under those two, and a reaver can be SM,IG,DH, then no doubt WH should be able to take one too, but if your running something bigger than that, no, you cant. and as for a WH baneblade, there has been one posted here, by i think melissa, cant remember the name, but its pretty damn epic, and incredible, and i think the points and all the gear on it is posted there. its not far from the space marine fellblade with some modifications. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Rosette Soulknyt Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I agree getting your hands on a Titan would be extremely hard, as only the Mechanicus builds them and Titan legions opperate them. Though you could use a super heavy like a Baneblade i previously posted this on here before with pictures of my very own Baneblade. I have posted the rules and went so far to include and ask for ideas from our fan base here. Look under page 3 (as of date) Sisters of Battle Baneblade for the title and you get to see my approach to your question. The Adepta Sororitas have have done much over the centuries and no doubt would have allied themselves with Tech Priests and maybe saved a hive world or two so there is no saying they "cant" have a baneblade. And remember SM have the Fellblade and some of these tanks are thousands of years old. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yes I think I commented on the baneblade. :P Now that I guess stormsword/blade/whatever is the same as a baneblade I guess it wouldn't be too much of a problem to use one. :P Now that's sorted out I guess, I'll still use a storm<sharp object> since it has a plasma cannon. ;) But that's cleared up I guess. So I can't technically have a warhound in my sister colours? Too bad I guess... Well then, mechanicus colours maybe? Whatever the mechanicus use for colour scheme... But it's good news that it can have 2 giant flamers, that's just perfect. :lol: Hellstorm template, right? So since I don't have an apoc book nearby(my LGC has one, two or three different) I have no idea of which titans actually have that Supporting warmachine rule. I'll have to look it up... But I guess warhounds have it, they are scout titans after all... Now I only need to save money to a storm<sharp object>! Yey. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 So I can't technically have a warhound in my sister colours? Too bad I guess... Well then, mechanicus colours maybe? Whatever the mechanicus use for colour scheme...Different Titan Legions have different colour schemes so why not just make one up with a scheme that complements your SoB army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2026995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 ...So since I don't have an apoc book nearby(my LGC has one, two or three different) I have no idea of which titans actually have that Supporting warmachine rule. I'll have to look it up... But I guess warhounds have it, they are scout titans after all... All Imperial Titans that there are currently formal rules for are available. Kaled rings the bell here when it comes to paint though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yep! Fluff is fluff, game mechanics are game mechanic and Apocalypse is... Apocalypse! Which means you can do pretty much whatever you want just as long as you and your opponents are ok with it. I mean, you could have a boltgun-metal and fluorescent green warhound in you Necron army if you so wanted... I personnally have a warhound and a reaver (the latter is about half-done). They are painted with my inquisitoril scheme (red/black/bronze) and even have =I= etched brass symbols on them. I know it entirely unfluffy, but I like the idea of my Inquisitors requisitionning their own titans! Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxxon the Dragoon Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yep! Fluff is fluff, game mechanics are game mechanic and Apocalypse is... Apocalypse! Which means you can do pretty much whatever you want just as long as you and your opponents are ok with it. I mean, you could have a boltgun-metal and fluorescent green warhound in you Necron army if you so wanted... I personnally have a warhound and a reaver (the latter is about half-done). They are painted with my inquisitoril scheme (red/black/bronze) and even have =I= etched brass symbols on them. I know it entirely unfluffy, but I like the idea of my Inquisitors requisitionning their own titans! Phil whose to say that the =][= cant have titans, they can, and its fluffy, i have even seen a GW painted inquisition titan in a book somewhere. its just that a SoB warhound titan isnt fluffy, and in a way to say, theres almost no reason why the sisters should have one. but i am a fan of "everybody can play with the big toys" kinda thing, i am not saying that you cant use a titan, you totally can, you just can paint it in your sisters color scheme, BUT your inquisitor can have it painted any which way he want, just throw some spare =][= symbols from your sisters bits, and tada, its an =][= titan that you can throw whatever kinds of paint on. the baneblades and such are another thing, you are free to paint them your armies color scheme and mod and such if you want, just make sure you make it roughly around the right amount of points with all the weapons and such +25 for it to be a sisters tank. theres no reason why sisters cant have their own tanks, and big tanks to play with, and fluff wise theres gotta be some stuff about them having them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Military Order of the Divisio Militaris with ties to the Inquisition/Adepta Sororitas? NEVER. Executive Order of the Divisio Mandati withOUT ties to the Inquisition/Adepta Sororitas? NEVER The Executive Orders of the Divisio Mandati travel in vast, floating temple-spaceships, bringing the pax Imperia to the isolated worlds of the Imperium. Each temple-ship carries between two and five of the immense Emperor Titans plus priests, regular troops, maintenance adepts and other support personnel. In turn each Emperor Titan is a self-contained unit carrying members of the Adeptus Arbites, the Inquistion and Adeptus Terra. It is their task to bring the pax Imperia to all worlds in their care. The Emperor Titan is the main thing of the Divisio Mandati, but if the regular (Military Order) Titan Legions can get their hands on the occassional Emperor Titan I'm sure the Divisio Mandati get their occassional hands on some lesser titans - especially the Missionary Orders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 Never heard of this Divisio mandati. :) So... With all the different opinions I've managed to understand one thing... I need to have an inquisitor, which suits me perfect. Am I correct? If so I'm happy since I'm going to have at least 2 =][= anyway. ^_^ But I guess the Divisio mandati is the titan legions, right? And if I got =][= in my army and the titan, then it's bound to be a tie with both the =][= and the Divisio? This is proving to be a very confusing thing... Argh... But regarding the tanks... So +25pt because I use it with my SoB? That gives me... A storm<sharp object| costing 25pt more! (ain't I clever?) Loading out two side sponson flamers(what template size?) I could add... 60-80pts? Depending on the template size ofc. Or maybe have plasma cannons as sponsons? (it's lascannons otherwise, right?) That'll make me add... Hmm... Still 60-80pt... Add that with the storm<sharp object> cost I'll get a tank with plasma/plasma+flamer for... 700~800ish points... I'm not breaking rules now, am I? Ah, interesting anyhow... Too the save-and-converting-mobile! --EDIT for the sake of the English language-- Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The Legio Ordo Sinister is an Inquisitorial Titan Legion who's mandate it is to execute Exterminatus on worlds where orbital bombarment is not called for. They are the legion with the most Emperor Titans and the least number of Titans with a total of 12, all of which are Imperators. While that is the only fluff example of an Inquisitor only Titan Legion, there is no reason at all that others do not exist, much like DIY Marine chapters or Sister orders. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 ... But regarding the tanks... So +25pt because I use it with my SoB? That gives me... A storm<sharp object| costing 25pt more! (ain't I clever?)Loading out two side sponson flamers(what template size?) I could add... 60-80pts? Depending on the template size ofc. Or maybe have plasma cannons as sponsons? (it's lascannons otherwise, right?) That'll make me add... Hmm... Still 60-80pt... Add that with the storm<sharp object> cost I'll get a tank with plasma/plasma+flamer for... 700~800ish points... I'm not breaking rules now, am I? You've trailed off into the near realms of 'House Rules' and opponents permission. Whether or not I'd consent would have to do with the setting, how I was feeling that day, and who else was there. At the very least there'd be some good natured ribbing about its, in my opinion, dubious fluffyness. While I appreciate that all wargaming should be consensual, it is my preference to generally stick closer to official materials to minimize headaches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2027776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 ... But regarding the tanks... So +25pt because I use it with my SoB? That gives me... A storm<sharp object| costing 25pt more! (ain't I clever?)Loading out two side sponson flamers(what template size?) I could add... 60-80pts? Depending on the template size ofc. Or maybe have plasma cannons as sponsons? (it's lascannons otherwise, right?) That'll make me add... Hmm... Still 60-80pt... Add that with the storm<sharp object> cost I'll get a tank with plasma/plasma+flamer for... 700~800ish points... I'm not breaking rules now, am I? You've trailed off into the near realms of 'House Rules' and opponents permission. Whether or not I'd consent would have to do with the setting, how I was feeling that day, and who else was there. At the very least there'd be some good natured ribbing about its, in my opinion, dubious fluffyness. While I appreciate that all wargaming should be consensual, it is my preference to generally stick closer to official materials to minimize headaches. Indeed, headaches ain't fun. At all... I'll just stick with the regular storm<sharp object> then. (it is stormblade, right?) Now... I reapeat: To the converting-and-save-mobil! Skip the converting-and- thou. :) Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2028024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawca Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 It is worth noting, that the titan legions dont belong to any one army be it guard or marines. Each titan legion like each chapter of space marines operate in different ways, I personally use the titan legion of Legio Ordos Sinister. This titan legion tends to opperate with the inqusition Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The Legio Ordo Sinister is an Inquisitorial Titan Legion who's mandate it is to execute Exterminatus on worlds where orbital bombarment is not called for. They are the legion with the most Emperor Titans and the least number of Titans with a total of 12, all of which are Imperators. While that is the only fluff example of an Inquisitor only Titan Legion, there is no reason at all that others do not exist, much like DIY Marine chapters or Sister orders. SJ Wait what? I need some links or references of some sort. This is not only difficult to believe its darn near impossible. Now an =][= legion I can get my head around, it could happen even if unlikely... but a =][= legion made up of Imperator Titans is fringe crazy impossible. Imperators are so rare and priceless you would never see 12 in the same system much less planet. Each of those titans is worth a space marine chapter. So I think this sounds a bit wild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Wait what? I need some links or references of some sort. This is not only difficult to believe its darn near impossible. Now an =][= legion I can get my head around, it could happen even if unlikely... but a =][= legion made up of Imperator Titans is fringe crazy impossible. Imperators are so rare and priceless you would never see 12 in the same system much less planet. Each of those titans is worth a space marine chapter. So I think this sounds a bit wild. He was (almost) right. The Legio Ordo Sinister was in the Titan Legions rulebook (p10) - it comprises a only a dozen Emperor class Titans and is said to often work with the Arbites, Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy in inspiring terror and obedience in those in danger of disobeying the Pax Imperialis. The only bit in which I think jeffersonian000 was wrong is that they're not an Inquisitorial Titan Legion, just one that often works in conjunction with the Inquisition - like all Titan Legions, they're part of the AdMech. Also, they're not used to commit exterminatus, they're explicitly described as 'a well-honed sabre rather than the sledgehammer of planetary bombardment or the scalpel of a Space Marine intercession' - in other words, they're an instrument of precision unlike exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Wait what? I need some links or references of some sort. This is not only difficult to believe its darn near impossible. Now an =][= legion I can get my head around, it could happen even if unlikely... but a =][= legion made up of Imperator Titans is fringe crazy impossible. Imperators are so rare and priceless you would never see 12 in the same system much less planet. Each of those titans is worth a space marine chapter. So I think this sounds a bit wild. He was (almost) right. The Legio Ordo Sinister was in the Titan Legions rulebook (p10) - it comprises a only a dozen Emperor class Titans and is said to often work with the Arbites, Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy in inspiring terror and obedience in those in danger of disobeying the Pax Imperialis. The only bit in which I think jeffersonian000 was wrong is that they're not an Inquisitorial Titan Legion, just one that often works in conjunction with the Inquisition - like all Titan Legions, they're part of the AdMech. Also, they're not used to commit exterminatus, they're explicitly described as 'a well-honed sabre rather than the sledgehammer of planetary bombardment or the scalpel of a Space Marine intercession' - in other words, they're an instrument of precision unlike exterminatus. Well ownership aside I'm simply flabbergasted. That could be the most potent ground force in the Imperium and is surely overkill in any engagement. Frankly I can't think of anything that could face 12 Emperor's in combat and come out on top. An entire Titan legion of 100+ titans would be obliterated by such a force. These things would laugh at an orbital bombardment. The only weakness in this group is gathering so much in one place. If disaster struck and they were somehow captured or destroyed it would be an astounding loss for the Imperium. But hey, if the Imperium needs to win a ground battle this is there instant win card... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 But hey, if the Imperium needs to win a ground battle this is there instant win card...That's the point, they're a visible symbol of the Emperor's might that none can stand against - an example of impersonal and faceless Imperial efficiency. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbreaker Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 12?... Imperators...! O.o Well... I won't really go with this legion... I don't like building stuff from scratch and I'd never play a game large enough for an Imperator or 12. :D Still interesting. Titan pilot: Hey look at my 6 warhounds! *proud* Legio Ordo Sinister commander: Erhm... Look over there... You see those twelve mountains fa~r over there? Titan pilot: Yes... What with 'em? Legio Ordo Sinister commander: Those are Imperators, and they're ALL under MY command... silence Legio Ordo Sinister commander: So get the f**k out of my sight or I'll get them all over here pansy boy! Titan pilot: *silence* Eh... Eh... Yes... Yes sir! *runs away in terror* :) Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prathios Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 But hey, if the Imperium needs to win a ground battle this is there instant win card...That's the point, they're a visible symbol of the Emperor's might that none can stand against - an example of impersonal and faceless Imperial efficiency. Kinda like the death star :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripath Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Actually its not that hard to concieve sisters and a titan fighting in the same place and time. Unless I'm missing something Titan legions can be part of crusades and it could just be that sisters are providing the ground support while the titan takes down the big things. True Its not technically the sister's titan but really does it matter who owns it to the heritic thats standing downrange of a inferno cannon or a turbo laser? And remember No matter what anyone says there your own models, paint them as you like. And if someone tells you that you can't paint a titan in Sister colors ask how will they stop you. Will jervis johnson swim across the atlantic kick down your door and tell you that you can't paint it that color? I just had a funny thought about the bioshock heretic army I want to make that has splicers for mutants. And now I'm imagining the "little sisters" showing up with their "big daddy" the titan. Instead of adam its souls those little sisters are after. XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Well, I was pulling from memory, so it's all good. For my AdMech Titan Legion, I'm using both Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle for my Praetorians and Skitarii as well as the IG for "counts as" Leman Russes as Knight class Titans. To these, I'm working on adding some Warhound/Reavers and Warlord/Emperors. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171486-titans-and-super-heavies/#findComment-2029843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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