mortiferum Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Khorne / Slaanesh and Tzeentch Heralds all have the option of purchasing a Chariot upgrade. It occurred to me that many players would simply look to the fantasy range for an appropriate / simple 'Chariot' to mount their Heralds on, e.g Dark / High Elf Chariot for a Slannesh Herald or a Beastman / Chaos warrior Chariot for Khorne etc. You'd end up with a model on a rectangle chariot base (50 x 100mm? - apologies if this is incorrect i dont play WHFB often). Reading the various Chariot upgrades I can see that it generally changes the 'unit type' and / or modifies a number of stats - it mentions nothing regarding base size. If I choose to not use a 'Chariot' model but let my imagination run wild and create / scratchbuild / kit bash something that would 'count as' a Chariot upgrade how would I know what sized base to mount it on, does it even matter? E.g. (making this up as I go along) I want to use 'Khorne Possessed Robots' to represent / count as Khorne Chariot heralds - this could easily justify and explain the additonal stat increases to S, T, W, A and an armour save, (model wise - imagine a cross between a Dreadnought / mini Soul Grinder model). Size wise it would fit on a 60mm round base. Would this be legal? What if I wanted to model it on a 25mm round base? Simply put - Does the Chariot upgrade change its base size / where is that specified? Morty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draeden Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Well, looking at the chariot rules, I can see things like a Daemon Possessed Drednought (though I'd be more inclined to just make it a more heavily armoured herald on juggernaut). Chariot of Slaanesh, what about Landspeeder or the like over taken by the Herald... And Chariot of Tzeentch... Take the class type literally... Make a Horror (or why not a cloaked Changling) on a jetbike? As for base size, I'd say whatever is fitting for a the conversion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2028416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Strictly by the rules? Then it doesn't matter, at all. There is no official herald model, which means that technically there is no official base size, if there was you'd have to try and get your chariot on to a 25mm base. As said above, just go for whatever seems right in this case, there's not a lot else you can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2028473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Personally, I'd say in the interests of fairness, the Chariot Model has to be readily distinguishable from a Mounted Herald and so should be based appropriately. Although you can't call cheat on a small base, you could call shenanigans on it, so be sensible about it. I have plans for the FW Kherald on a Corpse Cart as a Chariot - and that seems fair to me and my gaming group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2029122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedrake28 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I'm just gonna mount my Chariots on the Bloodcrusher sized bases. They're the largest "official" bases available, so they'll have to do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2029672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 As long as it is noticably different from a Herald on a Juggernaut, that's fine. Taking to very similar Heralds, one on a chariot and one on a Juggernaut, and then putting them both close to (or the Juggerald in) a Bloodcrusher unit may be frowned upon, as they won't easily tell which one is an Independent character and which isn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2029685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Your right that the codex doesn't say. But we can probably assume that the assumed we'd use a WF chariot with a chariot base. But since it doesn't say, I made mine Heralds 3" mini Keepers of Secrets. With the chariot they're approaching MC stats so why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2030056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djkest Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, the codex does give us some ideas about what a herald on a chariot should be- in fact, it seems to be pretty specific. For example, it lists what pulls each type of chariot- Tz chariots are pulled by 2 screamers, and a Khorne chariot is pulled by a juggernaut. I think if you tried fitting something like that on a 60mm round you'd he hard pressed to come up with such a thing. I'm not sure if GW really intended chariots to be playable- they have no real guidance (50x100mm chariot base in 40k?) and they don't actually make models for it. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2062960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch16 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Both my Heralds in chariots are on 60mm bases. Square bases look bad in 40k, and 60mm is the biggest they go up to. Theres also the oval dragon base thats used in LOTR, could be an option for someone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2063364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I've got 4 Khornate Heralds on Chariots, mounted on the large oval base from lotr. And I just have to say, it's way too freaking big. Biggest. Footprint. Ever. Squeeze it into a chariot base or 60mm.. or even custom build one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2070308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNCHBiZZLe Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have yet to try a chariot (play pure nurgle cant take one) but I do field an old 2nd ed GUO on 60mm base as a herald with palquin and have yet to have anyone give me greef over it.So assuming that if you use common sense when basing your conversions that there won't be any problems game wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2070381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 I did my chariots on 60mm squares with cut-in-half 60 round ends. the whole thing is 120mm by 60, just slightly larger than a WFB chariot base and round like a 40k, so I think it looks right and plays well. Used it in my local GW store with no problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2072933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhellion Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Bumping an old topic, but what about the Mawloc/Trygon base? Would you be able to mail order one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2239772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 When i talked to my local store's (at the time) manager, he loved the idea and wrote off an old-school High Elf chariot for the conversion, so long as i gave him pics and progress updates. So i painted the chariot first with dark brown, and layered it up to a deep cherrywood/blood red, then for the Herald i used a past edition Bloodletter (the one with the huge axe pointed up and forward, with chains wrapped around his left fist against his body). I ran thick jewelery chain from the chariot to the shoulder spikes on the Juggernaut, and a finer chain from the Herald's chained fist out to the collar of the Juggernaught to direct the chariot. When i get home i will finish the paint work and post pics, but as to base size i just used the Chariot base as a guide and used Plasticard for the base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2265560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortiferum Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 Bumping an old topic, but what about the Mawloc/Trygon base? Would you be able to mail order one? Yes you can! Part Code: 99229999082 £2.50 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1570012 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171638-concerning-heralds-chariots-counts-as-and-base-size/#findComment-2266702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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