Hfran Morkai Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 For apocalypse I want to use Blackmane, not as my main lord but support. His function will be to sit back on an objective in the deployment zone with his guard and prevent it being stolen. Question is, how to arm 9 power armoured Wolf Guard? I've already got lots of termies and want a power armoured squad. So any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Well this is what I'm planning on running at the minute but would like input. All wolf tooth necklaces Runic charms Wolf Pelts 3 Heavy Bolters Bolters Power weapons Meltabombs The idea is that they act like a large Long Fang squad laying suppressive fire and when the enemy gets into combat they get a nasty surprise. I will stick them in cover to improve survivability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Why put Ragnar on long range support. I guess you are better of with a WGBL with Heavy weapon. Cheaper and more fitting for the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 I know. I just want to field Blackmane and he's not going with termies. He's leading counter attacks on the home objectives so I'll probably gear the squad for combat. Why can't we give Wolf Guard special weapons? Three meltaguns would be fun. New loadout: Wolf Tooth Necklace Runic Charm Meltabombs 6 Power Weapons 3 Powerfists Bolt pistols/ some plasma pistols? I don't think this squad is that interesting though. Any suggestions? I don't care about points as it's apocalypse, I just want a really cool squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Talon Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 A cheap WGBL with a master crafted plasma cannon is always nice to add to a WG or Long Fangs unit....especially with 4 fenrisian wolves to help keep that unit alive. Ragnar is a waste in a sitting and shooting unit. If only Ragnar could take Fenrisian Wolves.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demogerg Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 for apocalypse ive been considering this as my cool unit.... Stormlord tank (the one with 40 transport slots, and 20 models can shoot out of it as if it was open topped) 20 Wolf Guard Battle Leaders with TDA, Asscans, Chainfists, Wolf Pelts, Wolf Tooth Necklaces, Runic Charms, Stormshields then you have a stormlord tank shooting 80 S6 rending shots that hit on 2's, not to mention they can pop out, shoot, then charge and wreck-face of whatever they hit. I had 2 Wolf guard body guard with chainfists wreck a warhound titan that charged in an stomped them, so I imagine that 20 battle leaders with chainfists could wreck even a warlord. Pro tip: run them with Ragnar Blackmane for the +2a on the charge, and have Logan Grimnar nearby with Pedro Kantor. Each Battle leader would get 8 attacks on the charge..... 160 S8 2d6 pen hit on 3 attacks. on average thats something like 19 structure points worth of damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 I was thinking of a more "sit at home" unit. Kind of like Blackmane's been naughty (chewing the furniture!) and has to stay and defend the area. And they have to be in power armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2030851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 How bout using Ragnar as your "fireman" unit? Keep him close to the objective and respond where needed. Then have the TDAs hold the marker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Pro tip: run them with Ragnar Blackmane for the +2a on the charge, and have Logan Grimnar nearby with Pedro Kantor.Each Battle leader would get 8 attacks on the charge..... 160 S8 2d6 pen hit on 3 attacks. on average thats something like 19 structure points worth of damage. Assuming the people our playing with dont have the normal restriction of one codex. So, why is they have to be in PA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 They don't have to be in power armour. It's just that I feel like I have plenty of terminators. I just want to do a really cool power armoured squad and was looking for some interesting loadouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Recently i had Ragnar and group of Blood Claws in a LR in an apocalypse battle. I liked it!!! Next time i try LRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Why Ragnar with Bloodclaws? Seems like a waste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chaplain Darius Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Awesome thread derailment guys, its like 4chan in here. Ragnar and a Wolf Guard unit will be awesome for denying the enemy the charge. Just when they're fixing bayonets to assault your objective, you ram Ragnar and a horde of Wolf Guard down their throat. All wolf tooth necklacesRunic charms Wolf Pelts 3 Heavy Bolters Bolters Power weapons Meltabombs Is probably the most EFFECTIVE unit, points wise. It's also always cool to have your bodyguards with heavy weapons. The only change I would make is to include at least one power fist. As a marine, with the exception of independent characters, there's no excuse not to use power fists. Especially when they're on guys who hit on 3's. Wolf Tooth NecklaceRunic Charm Meltabombs 6 Power Weapons 3 Powerfists Bolt pistols/ some plasma pistols? A combat monster writeup. I'd say give the guys with power fists bolters, as that'll give you a bit of range, or allow a double tap before you get hit with a charge. I don't recall if True Grit works with a model with a power fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 True grit turns it into a bolt pistol once your in CC... so no +1 attack sadly. As for the bodygaurd- id rather give them all TDA and assault cannons for 10pts a peice. Infinitely better IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Cheers guys. I really want a power armoured unit so I can go to town with the armour. Make it all nice and ancient marks. Plus I have 20 terminators. I think I'll just mess around with both of my units and see what happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn888 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Ragnar with 4 wolf guard , powers swords and bolt pistols, wolf tooth necklace, and 11 blood claws tooled any way you like for support, all in a LRC Ragnar's unit will get 27 power weapon attacks on the charge and then the blood claw unit will get 44 attacks on the charge, i ran this in a torny and butchered anything that got near them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Well, one can never have too much TDA. (For a bit of fun, if you know any local DA players, try to make sure you have more Wolf Guard Termies than they have Deathwing. I know two :) ) Ragnar w/ Claws is a waste of his ability, tbh. A far, far better combo would be the WGPA squad, mounted in a Land Raider of some kind as a counter charge option. In a larger game, screen them with BC's/ Grey Hunters and use them to deliver a knock out blow. I would go for 2 LCs, 1 TH&SS and one PF + Combi Weapon per 4, plus all the trimmings of charms and suchforth to give it a take on all comers approach. Of course, such a squad is looking at around the 400pts area before the tank, sp Apoc only methinks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2031977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Why Ragnar with Bloodclaws? Seems like a waste. I just wanted a LD.10 character to go with them to make sure they succeed that LD test if somebody assaults them. BCs are also cheap in points so i can ge many of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2032288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Ragnar with 4 wolf guard , powers swords and bolt pistols, wolf tooth necklace, and 11 blood claws tooled any way you like for support, all in a LRC Ragnar's unit will get 27 power weapon attacks on the charge and then the blood claw unit will get 44 attacks on the charge, i ran this in a torny and butchered anything that got near them I don't think you can put two units in one transport. More than one IC can join a unit, but not a WL and Retinue. I suppose in apoc they could all be WGBL's? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2032864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Ragnar with 4 wolf guard , powers swords and bolt pistols, wolf tooth necklace, and 11 blood claws tooled any way you like for support, all in a LRC Ragnar's unit will get 27 power weapon attacks on the charge and then the blood claw unit will get 44 attacks on the charge, i ran this in a torny and butchered anything that got near them I don't think you can put two units in one transport. More than one IC can join a unit, but not a WL and Retinue. I suppose in apoc they could all be WGBL's? That's right Grimfoe, karn888's tournament setup was not legal. I'm surprised he got away with it. Blood Claws already get Berzerk Charge, so there is no big advantage to putting Ragnar with them, other than just getting a powerful IC to accompany them. The best value for the price comes when Ragnar can grant Berzerk Charge to a unit which would otherwise not have it, such as a Wolf Guard Bodyguard or a Grey Hunter Pack. Ragnar with a WGBG in Terminator Armor with some ranged weapons (Assault Cannon or Cyclone Missile Launcher, and Storm Bolters or Combi-Weapons) and special close combat weapons (Lightning Claws or Power Weapons and at least one Power Fist, Thunder Hammer, or Chainfist) works great, especially when they deploy from a Drop Pod or Land Raider Varient. If you want Ragnar with a Power Armored unit, I wouldn't go with Wolf Guard, as they are too expensive for what you get, and don't have great survivability (same save as much cheaper troops in the same armor). Instead put him in a Pack of Grey Hunters who have kept their Bolt Pistols, and have not upgraded to Bolters. This makes a unit that assaults or counterattacks with the same number of attacks as Blood Claws, but with the higher Weapon Skill. Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2033444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 If you want Ragnar with a Power Armored unit, I wouldn't go with Wolf Guard, as they are too expensive for what you get, and don't have great survivability (same save as much cheaper troops in the same armor). Instead put him in a Pack of Grey Hunters who have kept their Bolt Pistols, and have not upgraded to Bolters. This makes a unit that assaults or counterattacks with the same number of attacks as Blood Claws, but with the higher Weapon Skill. Grey Hunters come in smaller groups so if you going to use LRC then it is going to be Blood Claws. They are cheaper in points anyway. Ofcource now that there is that AP3 flamer armed Land Raider then smaller groups are OK too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2033453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 If you want Ragnar with a Power Armored unit, I wouldn't go with Wolf Guard, as they are too expensive for what you get, and don't have great survivability (same save as much cheaper troops in the same armor). Instead put him in a Pack of Grey Hunters who have kept their Bolt Pistols, and have not upgraded to Bolters. This makes a unit that assaults or counterattacks with the same number of attacks as Blood Claws, but with the higher Weapon Skill. Grey Hunters come in smaller groups so if you going to use LRC then it is going to be Blood Claws. Just because the LRC can hold 16 doesn't mean that you have to fill every slot in the transport. For that matter, the unit can use Drop Pods, Rhinos, and the other Land Raider varients; using an LRC is not required, after all. A full Grey Hunter pack with Wolf Guard Leader and Ragnar would be 12 models, which is not too small of a group anyway. As I already stated above, putting Ragnar with Blood Claws is a waste of his potential. If you want a maximized pack of Blood Claws in an LRC, simply put a different Independent Character with them; a Rune Priest with Stormcaller, Wolf Priest with Healing Potions and Balms, or simply a Wolf Guard Battle Leader would all be sufficient. If you intend to field Ragnar, put him with Grey Hunters with Bolt Pistols and their close combat weapons, or a Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2033463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 /prays for the newbies to play ragnar with TDA WGBG.... Seriously though, Ragnar can turn any non-BC pack into the hardest unit on the board (think 4 attacks w/ a fist or T-hammer, 5 attack w/ a paired special weapon or non-paired non-special weap). dont waste him, but put him in a unit where he will dominate the most (WGBG is by far the best). /continues to pray for more Ragnar in lists, or more Decoy or Wolf89 led 13th co lists in the respite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2033467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This past weekend I played Ragnar with a 4 man WGBG in power armor. WG had Combi-flamers, power weapons, WP, WTN, RC. Started moving him up the left flank with a Leman Russ for close support. The opposing player was using Orks. I was ordered to destroy the Deff Koptas that where on that flank. Leman opened up with 3 HB and TL Auto cannon taking out 2 of the Koptas. Ragnar and his WG destoyed 1 more and damaged a second with bolter fire. Could not assualt as they where too far out. Orks returned fire with Rokkits. Ragnar's unit took 4 STR 8 wounds leaving Ragnar by himself. Koptas then assualted. Ranar had the initiative and brought down 3 Koptas, breaking their morale. Koptas fell back regrouped and killed Ragnar with another barrage of Rokkit fire. Lesson learned.....Take TDA or mabye SS on WGBG. Ork's learned: No assault Ragnar! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/171777-wolf-guard-in-power-armour-with-blackmane/#findComment-2033755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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