Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 brothers this aftenoon along side a contingent of ultramariens (750wolves/750 UM) we engaged those dirty tritiors of chaos... and and squad of 'thousand dogs of magnus' we were playing DoW anilation so it started as a night fight, ah said I we have acute sences, whats this they said to me... well I explained I get to re-roll if I fail to hit you after u deploy (2 d6 x3 if im correct) they did not like that.. but hey we smell them before we see them... so anyway to keep it simple ragnar and 2 squads of blood claws declared 'blood fude' against the dogs of magnus, What's this I was asked, well that gave me a 3+ combat attack... i forgot to mention they could do the same... but hey as sven says 'who the bloody hell are we to tell them their own bloody codex' so I said niks... now for some reason they seem to concentrate their fire against the ultramarines (i'm still trying to work out our own codex, let alone anyone else... yes i'm a noob)but maybe it was the 'thunder cannon' that upset them? the ultra marines took the brunt of their attacks and fought greatly (i even invite them back to the fang for a drink and food, but they declined?). I could go on about this battle drink and feed and tell story after story (it gets even better after a few drinks ^_^). I salute my fellow astartes from the ultramarines... the sons of russ and guilliman fought well. (excuse my english and spelling mistakes) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hmmmm.... I don't know about not telling them about the revese of the Blood Feud. Remember the Wolves are brutal but honorable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hmmmm.... I don't know about not telling them about the revese of the Blood Feud. Remember the Wolves are brutal but honorable. i agree with this statement, also, they do not have that rule in their codex, only the wolf book has it, so if they don't own a copy they might now know of it :-\ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 i would say not telling it to them wasn't very honorable ps: you wouldn't happen to be dutch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 I field my forces and i now play and learn to do this and that, it's not my duty to inform those traitiors of their own codex. they field them they know their own codex... simple as that. i'm a noob to playing this game table top, why do i have to worry about learnig their codex's, i keep getting told that i cant do this or that because of the new SM:cod our codex is 9 years old, so what should I do? this game was played fair and square and as i said the ultramarines took the brunt of the attack, it was not untill the blood claws destoryed the thousand sons that they rtelised not to ignore the blood claws, as they had exposed their flank... in the mean time my ven dred was in the middle of the field causing mayhem covering my GH squad, after a combined attack aginst their land rider which got destoryed the grey hunters engaged the troops within... we won fair and square nothing more or less... i'll ask u this question brother why is it now that we can not use 'the spirit of the machine cult' with our preds, also why dose all the other chapters now get 'counter charge'. I posted this as a battle report to share a win nothing more than that, and then for u to jump on me because i did not tell them about the 'blood fude' get real m8 would they have done that for me??? again I will repeat myself, us and the ultrmarines had an epic battle... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 nee mar ik spreck een bejeet naderlands, ik ben een irish/naderlander Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 I was so happy with todays game played in friendship and fairness... now u guys make me feel like a piece of crap.... thx Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 no pun was intended, believe me when i say this most of us look ot it like fairplay to tell your opponent what a certain thing does,you wouldn't like it eather if a guy uses bonus A without telling the effect it has on your unit too and sure, the chaos player should know it's dex but blood feud isn't mentioned in theirs so they are not aware of it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 earlier this week i had a battle against the templars, where we won and again no one told me about 'acute sences' otherwise i had placed grimmnar in the middle with 1 squad of BC and 1 GH, it was a report where grimnar fought of the 'emperors champion' & 'grinaldus' a great game.. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=171905 did the templars player tell me about 'acute sences'? no he did not as he was just playing using the templats codex. is it for me to tell any dark angel about their codex? get real guys and take this post as what is was meant to be, a wolf/marine win over chaos nothing more nothing less... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2035977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 the blood fued rule is only in our book. to use half the rule is cheating, plain and simple. but your right, CONGRATS for the win. maybe next time you can play an honest game and win one too. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 earlier this week i had a battle against the templars, where we won and again no one told me about 'acute sences' otherwise i had placed grimmnar in the middle with 1 squad of BC and 1 GH, it was a report where grimnar fought of the 'emperors champion' & 'grinaldus' a great game.. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=171905 did the templars player tell me about 'acute sences'? no he did not as he was just playing using the templats codex. is it for me to tell any dark angel about their codex? get real guys and take this post as what is was meant to be, a wolf/marine win over chaos nothing more nothing less... well, acute senses is in our dex, so you should know it not the other player since blood feud is a rule only found it's your duty to live up by it and use the full rule (or decide beforehand that you're not going to use it) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 earlier this week i had a battle against the templars, where we won and again no one told me about 'acute sences' otherwise i had placed grimmnar in the middle with 1 squad of BC and 1 GH, it was a report where grimnar fought of the 'emperors champion' & 'grinaldus' a great game.. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=171905 did the templars player tell me about 'acute sences'? no he did not as he was just playing using the templats codex. is it for me to tell any dark angel about their codex? get real guys and take this post as what is was meant to be, a wolf/marine win over chaos nothing more nothing less... well, acute senses is in our dex, so you should know it not the other player since blood feud is a rule only found it's your duty to live up by it and use the full rule (or decide beforehand that you're not going to use it) acute sense is also in the BRB. so again not your opponents job to tell you the basic rules of the game. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 earlier this week i had a battle against the templars, where we won and again no one told me about 'acute sences' otherwise i had placed grimmnar in the middle with 1 squad of BC and 1 GH, it was a report where grimnar fought of the 'emperors champion' & 'grinaldus' a great game.. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=171905 did the templars player tell me about 'acute sences'? no he did not as he was just playing using the templats codex. is it for me to tell any dark angel about their codex? get real guys and take this post as what is was meant to be, a wolf/marine win over chaos nothing more nothing less... 1) Good job on the win. 2) Blood Feud is only in OUR codex NOT theirs. Thats why you need to tell them. 3) There are no more thousand sons anyways- its a houserule that you can fight tzeentch marines on a 3+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 now thx guys but do u not see my point this rule that rule etc. did any of u not see that this game was played in good faith and friendship, all I wanted to do was share this battle, ourselves and the ultramarines beat chaos... crips guys after this game it was too hot to play another game so we went and had a beer and watch the ladies go by... (we forgot all about 40k) my friends did not get so upset about losing, but you lot have made me feel like i'm a cheat... and I'M NOT A CHEAT!!! I'm a Noob... my manager at my local GW shop nathan in milton keynes knows these rules backwards, and if I was cheating he would have said something. bloody hell to u all as sven would say...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 another quick question for you all if i play a 1000 pt wolf army and a 500 pt dark angel company can i deep strike my dark angels ? and what rules would I have to apply??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmoor Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 1) Good job on the win.2) Blood Feud is only in OUR codex NOT theirs. Thats why you need to tell them. 3) There are no more thousand sons anyways- its a houserule that you can fight tzeentch marines on a 3+. Aren't there still the troop choice Thousand Sons with AP3 bolters, and the 4+ inv save? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 now thx guys but do u not see my point this rule that rule etc. did any of u not see that this game was played in good faith and friendship, all I wanted to do was share this battle, ourselves and the ultramarines beat chaos... crips guys after this game it was too hot to play another game so we went and had a beer and watch the ladies go by... (we forgot all about 40k) my friends did not get so upset about losing, but you lot have made me feel like i'm a cheat... and I'M NOT A CHEAT!!! I'm a Noob... my manager at my local GW shop nathan in milton keynes knows these rules backwards, and if I was cheating he would have said something. bloody hell to u all as sven would say...... No one said you were a cheat my friend. As a fellow noob I understand where your coming from. I feel really stupid when my Ven Dred only attacks an enemy take once because I forgot this game allows multiple cc attacks. (Old Battletech player here) If I gave the impression that I was I apologize. Just want to see the best Wolves fielded. Once we learn this frakken game I'll gladly stand with you in defense of the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 thx god someone picke up on that, I just thoght I was going mad... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I field my forces and i now play and learn to do this and that, it's not my duty to inform those traitiors of their own codex. they field them they know their own codex... simple as that. That's just it dude, it's not in their book at all. Same with the Dark Angels. Our codex is the only book that mentions it anymore. I hope you atleast informed him that the special rule goes both ways when it's SW vs Tsons. Other than all that mangled junk, I hope you took many, many trophies in the name of Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 1) Good job on the win.2) Blood Feud is only in OUR codex NOT theirs. Thats why you need to tell them. 3) There are no more thousand sons anyways- its a houserule that you can fight tzeentch marines on a 3+. Aren't there still the troop choice Thousand Sons with AP3 bolters, and the 4+ inv save? If you want to be technical they have partial squads that are thousand sons- the aspiring sorceror is just along for the ride *arguably*. The Sorceror and TDA's can be marked, but they arent "Officially" thousand sons... nor are any daemons they have for example. Sorry if I wasnt clear- but it didnt sound like he was just doing it to the troops units. Most guys I play with are aware of this rule, and are ok with it on HQs and elites too... everything really- but they also know it swings both ways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2036352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Talon Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 There actually is a squad in the CHaos dex called Thousand Suns. Congrats on the win, nice to know that some marines are winning, mine turned to chaos they suck so much. And on the cheat thing, you fought chaos. A wise man once said, when fighting some enemies (Chaos, orks, maybe nids) all notions of honour and fairness go out the window (if they haven't already) so lie, cheat, steal, call in the inquisition, do whatever the hell you want to win! Usually makes the playing field a bit more fair as the amount of stuff my chaos dudes pull out is obscene (insert slaanesh marine here) PS. Please don't respond going off at me for saying do whatever to win, i don't condone INTENTIONAL cheating or rule-bending, but from what I'm gathering he thought it was in the chaos dex as well. PPS. No shots coz i'm went traitor either :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2044719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDave Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the rule in the SW 'dex clearly state that enemies strike back at 3+. So to me it's not even a matter of their codex not mentioning the rule - you just blatantly ignored the part of a rule that would benefit your opponent - very not cool. As a side note, you also ignore the fluff behind this rule, since it's meant to represent that fights between thousand sons and SWs are even more bloody and vitriolic than normal - not that SWs are some how better at fighting thousand sons than other marines. Anyways, just my two cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2045156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 He is new. He screwed up. He knows better now. Congrats on the win. Remember the whole rule must be used next time. SO they get to hit back. Yes there is still 1k sons in the game. The broken guys you always see running with slanesh these days. Way to break a game GW. So yes we hit them on 3+ in melee and they do the same. And yes Blood claws can really roll them if you get close enough. something like 52 attacks and 9 of them being power fists hitting on 3+ can do that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2046807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalver Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I field my forces and i now play and learn to do this and that, it's not my duty to inform those traitiors of their own codex. they field them they know their own codex... simple as that. That's just it dude, it's not in their book at all. Same with the Dark Angels. Our codex is the only book that mentions it anymore. I hope you atleast informed him that the special rule goes both ways when it's SW vs Tsons. Other than all that mangled junk, I hope you took many, many trophies in the name of Russ. I think its a bit of a stretch to claim that the Aspiring Sorcerer bought as part of a unit called "Thousand Sons" is not, in fact, a member of the Thousand Sons, especially when the blurb makes it pretty clear that it is the sorcerers of the Thousand Sons who use their old comrades as bodyguards. The unit isn't called "Thousand Sons and Friend". The blurb specifically states "[The Thousand Sons marines] quickly fall into inactivity unless a Thousand Sons sorcerer is nearby to direct them". So if someone wants to claim that the sorcerer is not, in fact, a member of the Thousand Sons then it is reasonable to claim that the unit can't benefit from The Sorcerer Commands. While the rules don't expressly state that he is, the blurb makes it quite clear that if he is directing them then he has to be a member of the chapter. As for the rules thing a couple points. 1. It was an innocent mistake. 2. It is not up to you to make sure your opponent knows the rules, if he never heard of the rule the prudent thing to do was to ask to see the codex. 3. Thousand Sons hit Blood Claws on a 3+ anyway, so it would only have mattered if they had directed their attacks against ragnar anyway. Odds are the effect it would have had is negligible anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/172281-blood-claws-rock/#findComment-2047152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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