igotsmeakabob!! Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Alright, so as I understand it (only played DoW a couple times) in Dawn of War you can start with up to one HQ and two Troops out on the table. Now, for the HQ.. if you took a captain or chapter master and a command squad or honor guard, would/could they come in together (be set up as normal on the first turn) or would they have to wait in reserve? Do the CS/HG count as a retinue for the Cap'n/CM? I couldn't find that anywhere.. as I understand it, units in a retinue can't separate. So if the Cap'n/CM's CS/HG were a retinue, he couldn't detach from them right? There are a few questions in there, thanks for whichever ones you can answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexx Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 There are no retinues in the new CSM book, so with anything retinue related out of the way. Each of the units mentioned counts as a seperate HQ choice, so you can only bring on one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 So a chapter master couldn't start on the table with his honor guard (in Dawn of War on turn 1)? Alright, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 However, if you have Black Templars, who get retinues, they get to start on the board. Also, the inquisition still get retinues, so the cannoness/grey knights/Inquisitor Lord can start with the retinue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 A master can JOIN an Honorguard unit and be one HQ for DOW. A command squad similarly can JOIN a Captain and be one HQ. If I understand correctly, a IC joined with his HG or CS cannot be singled out as an IC in CC? That is the benefit of them, vs just attaching to a lowly tac squad. However, these add-on units are kill points at the HQ level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 Ah, good ol' contradicting answers. I'm correct that you're saying, Ming, that in DoW a CM and HG can start on the table in turn one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 A master can JOIN an Honorguard unit and be one HQ for DOW. A command squad similarly can JOIN a Captain and be one HQ. If I understand correctly, a IC joined with his HG or CS cannot be singled out as an IC in CC? That is the benefit of them, vs just attaching to a lowly tac squad. However, these add-on units are kill points at the HQ level. I have to disagree with you here. While an argument could be made for an IC attached to a squad being a single choice, I don't agree. The example giveing in the book talks about a IC joining a troop unit still counting as two units for dawn of war. Also, the only way an IC can't be singled out in close combat is if he is with a retinue. While the HG and CS are retiunes by fluff, the are not by game rules. The only way to have a retinue is to have the IC in a unit he cannot leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexx Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 A master can JOIN an Honorguard unit and be one HQ for DOW. A command squad similarly can JOIN a Captain and be one HQ. No they can't. Rulebook says (for DOW) you may deploy up to one unit from your HQ selections. If you join an IC (HQ selection) with a command/hg squad (hq selection) you have two HQ selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 After all if a mounted tac squad counts as two troops choices how could an honorgaurd not count as a seperate HQ choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 A mounted Tac squad counts as two troop choices? Rhinos/RBs count as a troop choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 A mounted Tac squad counts as two troop choices?Rhinos/RBs count as a troop choice? Yes on both acounts, though this will normaly only mater for purposes of what you can deploy in a DOW mission, as vehicles are not scoring units, and dedicated transports do not fill up FOC slots. But yeah things that dont take up FOC slots count as the type of unit that allowed you to take them, so a LR taken as a dedicated transport for terminators is an elite choice, and a rhino taken for a devestator squad is a heavy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 Wow. Jeeze. Can you cite a page for that in the rulebook? I like having these things down... In DoW, a Tac squad in its rhino would count for both troop choices that you could place on turn 1. Jeeze, alright. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I dont know about the small rulebook, but in the hardback version there is a paragrah or so of italics under the dawn of war mission. It states that a transported tactical squad counts as both troops units upon deployment. If not for that I would never have believed it personally... but its written out plain as day. Pg 93, bottom right for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexx Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 The actual rule is on page 87 of the rulebook under "dedicated transports" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I dont know about the small rulebook, but in the hardback version there is a paragrah or so of italics under the dawn of war mission. It states that a transported tactical squad counts as both troops units upon deployment. If not for that I would never have believed it personally... but its written out plain as day. Pg 93, bottom right for reference. The hardback and small rulebook are identical up to pg 95. AKA all the rules are identical. The big rule book just has some extra senarios, and a section on modeling and painting adn the such. And yeah what Hexx quoted was what I was refering too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 it might be easier to think of them as "units" not "choices" the squad and its dedicated transport are 1 choice, but due to the rules quoted above, count as 2 separate units (3 if you combat squad) in all game terms after army list selection. so they would be multiple units in deployment, movement, shooting, etc... but still one FOC slot or "choice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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