chillin Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Thank you! Finally someone thinking outside the box...or chaos star...or whatever. I'm not saying they don't have Khornate traits, but being creative, why not look for the less obvious answer? That's not thinking out of the box, that's thinking out of the attic. But that defination, almost every one would be slannesh. T'sons with there indulgence in magic and excess hunger for dark knowledege are slannesh. By those examples "hunting & dismembering prey" the BA would be falling to slannesh, and if they're not on the verge of falling to khorne , who is ? Well....SW's. IW's with their obsession for perfect seiges and being truely tested by the toughest defences would be falling to slannesh. Their breach troops experiencing the ultimate thrill and adrenline rush, stareing death in the face, as they charge up a broken wall with every gun the enemy has firing at them, would fall to slannesh...but they're not slannesh, they are brzrkrs, and rightly so. If you streach the parameters wide enough almost everything could be slannesh If your on a horse ranch and hear hoofbeats, you could think "out of the box" and start looking for giraffes, but ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonsword Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I'm saying look at the individual Marines. Not the Chapter, but the Wolves in question, especially their leader. Khorne is obvious, and there's some great mileage there, but there are three other gods, and if you can make it work in the fluff, it could be awesome reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Well I guess we're all going to have our own interpretations of what each 'God' represents. I still hate to see Slaanesh getting boxed into the mold of 'pot heads who have dirty magazines'. I just think this is ONE aspect, and a VERY narrow one at that. I think... perfection through martial ability, and pride-fullness in that pursuit through victory... and failure is another aspect. That being said, even before I started this post for fun, I knew my Wolves squad was going Khorne! Beer for the Beer god...and maybe the odd skull tossed in there too. ;P BUT I will add that my Slaanesh Red Corsair squad is Championed by a certain ex-Ultramarine named Saeverus ! And features an ex Black Templars marine as well! I picked Ultras specifically for a good traitor Chapter to be persuaded to Slaanesh because I could see a certain type of Ultra personality that could be tempted by the whispers of Slaanesh. More on that to come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Ultras turning to Slaanesh actually makes sense though as they are Roman-inspired and Rome was known for it's hedonism. Again, Slaanesh is exactly not about pot heads and porno, it's about hedonism, it's about a refinement that SW's simply lack. Slaanesh is about finding every little possible feeling and exploring it until you are numb, Wolves don't have the attention span for that--look a shiny ball! Edit: Put another way, Khorne worshippers are Jason Vorhees, Slaanesh ones are Patrick Bateman which is more reason to have Slaanesh Ultramarines as if he live in Y40k Patrick Bateman would make a great Ultra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Ultras turning to Slaanesh actually makes sense though as they are Roman-inspired and Rome was known for it's hedonism. Well kind of - Emperor's Children are more Caligula to the Ultramarines Caesar Augustus. I have a unit in my Chaos force that are all ex-loyalists (led by a Fallen Angel of course (my avatar)). I can see a reason for most individuals to fall to Chaos, even if a chapter wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 BUT I will add that my Slaanesh Red Corsair squad is Championed by a certain ex-Ultramarine named Saeverus ! I picked Ultras specifically for a good traitor Chapter to be persuaded to Slaanesh because I could see a certain type of Ultra personality that could be tempted by the whispers of Slaanesh. Now I can see UM's going slannesh alot more then SW's. I understand there is more to slannesh then drugs and porn. And if you had picked some other chapter then SW's you might have been able to make a case, but SW's are just so khorne-like, that they really just couldn't be anything else. If you have 10 definate things about the SW's that are very khorne-like and 1 or 2 to things that maybe, kinda, might be considered slanneshy if you use your imagination and stretch things, which would you can you really make a case for them turning to ? The correlation between SW and khorne are so strong and the correlation between SW's and slannesh so weak and tenious, that there really is no compairison between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 As far as Ultramarines and Slaanesh go, the theme for Ultramarines is not so much 'perfection', as it was for the Emperor's Children, but rather 'efficiency'. Efficiency (and disciplin) do not really match the more 'excess' themed Slaanesh. I would rather put them with undivided, so that they can explore all venues and stay flexible, instead of focusing on one particular aspect. They might even make up specific rules how many squads per company are dedicated to what particular god. ;) One company consists of 4 Tactical Squads, 1 Assault Squad, 1 Devastator Squad, and 1 Squad of each Cult (Plague Marines and Thousand Sons replacing two Tactical Squads, Berserkers replacing one Assault Squad and Noise Marines replacing one Devastator squad). The reserve Companies could be 60 Marines of the appropriate type (6th and 7th company tacticals, etc.) and 40 Marines of one particular cult (6th Plague Marines, 7th Thousand Sons, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilio Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Well, I'd go for Khornate SW. It is obvious, at least to me, that SW coming from a barbaric background would be more prone to dedicate themselves to Khorne. Ultramarines would probably go Undivided. Too disciplined to reach the more extreme cult troops (unless we are talking about individuals that lost faith in the discipline and efficiency of the Chapter and turned to excess, then it is Slanesh) Dark Angels are more akin to the Alpha Legion. Secretive, paranoid, manipulative and single minded. Definetely no Slanesh or Khorne. Undivided is a pretty good guess, since dedicating themselves to one of the powers would not be their style. Or maybe Tzentch, since they can fit in the manipulation theme. White Scars would probably go to Khorne. They are bloodthirsty after all. Blood Angels could be Khorne (due to the rage) or Nurgle (because they understand the futility of their cursed existence) Iron Hands would turn to tech-heresy before turning to Chaos... Salamanders... they are pretty much goody good guys and I cannot see them following a god. Probably undivided, unless Imperial Fists probably like ultramarines Ravenguard on the other hand are a quiet hit and run chapter that would be ideal to go all "silent death" Nurgle. Black Templars: More probably will renounce faith to the Emperor and go all Word Bearer, so undivided. Or go to Khorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Yep, Ultramarines would be more undivided. Really, when you look at it, no chapter or legion besides the EC is really suited to slaanesh. Slaanesh's values just don't fit with the standard marine frame of mind, even in Fulgrim the Emperor's children's connection with slaanesh seemed forced and "deus ex machina'd". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 IMHO SW would fall to Khorne. If you remember HH series, SW there were referred to as Russ' Berzrkers (!). Also SW are really barbaric by nature so they are unlikely to seek perfection in a way Emp Children did it (even in combat, not mentioning culture aspects). SW are likely to practice their combat mastery, but it seems to me a bit brutish and bloodthirsty (like barbrawler, who is totally drunk and is having fun in beating another drunkards) - they're not looking for accuracy and spectacular moves in combat - they rely on strength and single deadly blows (which makes them definitely Khornate). As for Slaanesh I think Blood Angels and their successors are more likely to fall to Slaanesh. Although they do not seek the perfection similar to pre-heresy Emp Children, they pay considerable attention to culture and art, as well as they have some vampiric traits (especially their successors - Flesh Tearers and Blood Drinkers). And artistic bloodlust and vampiric rituals in decorated chambers with images of cups full of blood and armed brutal angels seems much more Slaanesh to me. As for Ultras, I think they should be Undivided as their old rival - Alpha Legion. PS. Patrick Bateman should have been Blood Drinker :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well, leaving aside the fact that outside of the abomination that is The Wolf Of Fenris Space Wolves do not fall to Chaos, I'll indulge my hypothetical side. Space Wolves are not the brutal berserkers some of you seem to think we are. In fact, the battle fury that is most resonent with Khorne is prevelent only in the youngest Wolves, the Blood Claws. This is as a result of the induction process and the Curse of the Wulfen (which actually resists the temptations of Chaos, but nevermind.) The older Wolves fight with all the ferocity of the Blood Claws, but without the Berserker style madness that typically affects them - hence why Blood Claws have a charging special rule, but Wolf Lords don't. So from this point of view, the idea that Wolves would fall to Khorne is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Now assume that the Wolves would hypothetically turn to the dark side, suddenly not feeling any need to suppress the desire to rend their enemies limb from limb as they become older and more experienced... and there you go. Khorne Space Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 @ Vassakov I didn't mean to offend SW, on the contrary, I like them. I just meant that if we assume the fact that SW would fall to Chaos, they'll probably would foolow Khorne, as his battle-oriented nature seems more suitable for SW than any other chaos deity. I really doubt SW would follow Tzeench (as far as I remember SW do not tolerate such arcane magic). Also I doubt that SW would fall to Slaanesh, as their barbaric nature (i.e. following tribal traditions, being close to their roots) is unlikely to fall to the grotesque and hedonistic pleasure, the way Emp Children did. Can't tell anything about Nurgle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Can't tell anything about Nurgle. One word: Rabies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Wow. This thread is great. I need an excuse to have Berzerkers in my army, and I was going to use Flesh Tearers. Then I read a thread (I think it may have been this one) that pointed out that once they fall to the Black Rage, they'll be more loyal than the majority of Marines, since, you know , the whole "a Primarch am I" thing. Thus, who better than Wolves, as you guys have pointed out? For awhile I tried going with the "Blood Angels of Khorne" idea, since they're assault-oriented and prone to bouts of madness that turn them into bloodthirsty maniacs. The aforementioned realization kinda ruined that one though. The best I can come up with is Khorne cures them of the Black Rage in exchange for the usual services of skull taking and blood spilling. Then again, Aurelius Rex makes a great case for them falling to Nurgle in his Dornian Heresy thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think just about any chapter marine can fall to Nurgle. I don't know if anyone else read the Nurgle book done by Black Library (they did all the main powers in these large books with some art). Anyway if you come to a point where you are beyond being able to die, and stricken with disease long enough, things have a way of panning out if your being persuaded by Nurgle. I'm reminded of the Heresy novel where a 'contaminated' marine is left in holding on the moon of Terra and finally succumbs to the persuasion of Nurgle and goes full boar corpuscle induced rage on the facility. The Ultra marines I chose to join Huron had a hidden vanity in them. Something that wasn't obvious on the surface, but enough for Slaanesh to start having an effect on them. Eventually the vanity turned to glory seeking, and perhaps... enjoying the succinct flavours of high pitched battle just a little too much. One thing leads to another, and Huron welcomes these marines like any other, knowing full well they will be an excellent weapon against the Imperium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Despite what the chaos codex said, I Thought that due to the canix helis(Sp?), no space wolf can fall to chaos, as the wulfen will take over, but for the OP, I Believe Khorne, as it is a martial empowered god, and not just mindless slaugter. for the ultra's I see Slannesh, as he/she is the god of perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Despite what the chaos codex said, I Thought that due to the canix helis(Sp?), no space wolf can fall to chaos, as the wulfen will take over, They have before, one of the twelve companies fell wholesale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Despite what the chaos codex said, I Thought that due to the canix helis(Sp?), no space wolf can fall to chaos, as the wulfen will take over, but for the OP, I Believe Khorne, as it is a martial empowered god, and not just mindless slaugter. for the ultra's I see Slannesh, as he/she is the god of perfection. I'm no Wolf expert, but I do know that the only chapter to not have a single marine fall to Chaos is the Gray Knights, which means it's happened before. So yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I've sat down like the thinking man some time ago and pondered this question. I would think that wolves would be 60/30 Khorne/Slaneesh. And many may just be "undivided" . Almost none would be tzeentch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Space wolves have fallen to Chaos. As Argon pointed out, the only chapter to never have a marine fall to Chaos are the Grey Knights. The Canis Helix helps prevent a Space Wolf from falling to Chaos and will generally transform a SW to a Wulfen if they fall (I'll have to find the fluff for that...), but that doesn't mean that a Space Wolf can't become disillusioned and fall in with 'the wrong crowd'... Anyway, I'm planning an Iron Warriors army, but I intend to make my berzerkers fallen Space Wolves and paint them in a Khorne-but-wolfy way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 So, regarding Wolves falling to Chaos: I thought this might be of interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 Cool find Argon. My idea is to take some of those Wolvie bitz and add them to a mish-mash squad of Huron's Corsairs. I think they will become one of his favourite units. And why not? Space Wolves have a sort of ferociousness that tends to get people's attention. When you think about it... everything from the love of ale, the trophy pieces that adorn their armour, the wild hair, etc.... it all fits 'I'm a space pirate' pretty darn good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangneur Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Let's see, space wolves are quick to anger, prefer close combat and enjoy fights for the sake of fights. My vote's for Khorne, even though I'm not sure they have these qualities extreme enough to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Well, leaving aside the fact that outside of the abomination that is The Wolf Of Fenris Space Wolves do not fall to Chaos, I'll indulge my hypothetical side. Space Wolves are not the brutal berserkers some of you seem to think we are. In fact, the battle fury that is most resonent with Khorne is prevelent only in the youngest Wolves, the Blood Claws. This is as a result of the induction process and the Curse of the Wulfen (which actually resists the temptations of Chaos, but nevermind.) The older Wolves fight with all the ferocity of the Blood Claws, but without the Berserker style madness that typically affects them - hence why Blood Claws have a charging special rule, but Wolf Lords don't. So from this point of view, the idea that Wolves would fall to Khorne is flawed. I guess I may be biased, but I have to agree with Vassakov, In the VERY UNLIKELY EVENT that Space Wolves would go rogue, I think that they would only be renegade - I don't see them following any of the Chaos gods (for example, if anyone would've turned to the gods it'd be 13th Company, but the "worst" that happened to them was that some became more feral as wulfen.) I'm looking to build a Chaos Space Wolf army (so that I have a third way to play 40K, using the same base/core of models) but if I do, they will definitely be running completely independent of any of the gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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