Hellios Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Ok I've been collecting various cult armies (and now I need a undivided army to lead them on a crusade) and out CUD legions I like the Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors and Night Lords, however I think the Iron Warriors are the most likely of these three to directly lead other forces. So I wanted to make a character and do a story (and maybe various armies LotD, CSM and so on) that cover his rise to power. Anyway I was thinking of him being lieutenant equivalent (is a warsmith a higher rank or does it vary) from the old C:CSM leading 100 men or less (of his masters larger army) who are even by Iron Warriors standards good at siege and are deployed by his master when defences are so tough they won't fall to the his standard tactics. This 100 or less would consist of tacticals/vets, terminators and berzerkers with the the specialised of breaching defences and taking the breach, especially when the artillery at range can't do it (they are equipped with breach charges). Anyway basic story line while besieging a xenos(non-playable but highly advanced) city his master is displeased with the lack of progress and so they are sent in. They are successful however after breaching the city events occur which lead to most of the men under his command dying and him acquiring a daemon artefact. This artefact then starts his rise to power as he leaves his masters host (Without permission) and takes along many of the survivors of his group (he is an original terran IW and has been leading many of him since the time they joined the IW). So I'm wondering if any of you IW experts could tell me what the name of his force would be chapter/company/regiment as all I know is that Iron warriors have grand companies (don't know how many) and I have no idea how they break down. Also from what I understand the iron warriors are more organised than many of the traitor legions so do you think its plausible that some of the few survivors of the IW he lead would join him (or would they be to loyal to his former master) and what repercussions might occur because of this if he returned from either hist master or perturabo if he was involved. He is not leaving the Iron warriors but he is essentially disregarding the chain of command. and finally what do people think about the name Cruxis mangol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 So I'm wondering if any of you IW experts could tell me what the name of his force would be chapter/company/regiment as all I know is that Iron warriors have grand companies (don't know how many) and I have no idea how they break down. Grand Companies are the only Legion specific grouping that I'm aware. I believe that Grand Companies could easily be broken down further into individual companies. Also from what I understand the iron warriors are more organised than many of the traitor legions so do you think its plausible that some of the few survivors of the IW he lead would join him (or would they be to loyal to his former master) and what repercussions might occur because of this if he returned from either hist master or perturabo if he was involved. He is not leaving the Iron warriors but he is essentially disregarding the chain of command. They are more organized then say the World Eaters or Emperor's Children but probably less so then the Word Bearers and possibly Alpha Legion. Thats to say that most of them tend to do what they want and I think it would either take a word straight from their Primarch or some very senior Warsmiths to force them together. So leaving his immediate superior isn't that big of an issue, however I'm sure that Warsmith will be pursuing him, for revenge and to take back whats his. and finally what do people think about the name Cruxis mangol? Not bad I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Warrior w/ Servo Arm Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 and finally what do people think about the name Cruxis mangol? As long as it is not pronounced as "Crushed Mango", it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshalHelva Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 i just read Storm of Iron and if my memory is correct the iron warriors break down like this: warsmith - Grand Company Captain 1 - company Captain 2 - company Captain 3 - company but i think companies and grand companies tend to vary greatly in size. it also states in their fluff that they tend to operate in groups of 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 An original Terran marine would almost certainly already be a warsmith. Remember that by the time of the heresy the Terran marines were already considered veterans if they didn't already have sizable commands of their own in all but the newest legions and the IW are not that new. By the way, as far as I gather, warsmith is just the title given to the highest up in any given semi-autonomous force (usually a grand company) so by virtue of leaving, your character would basically become a warsmith, though originally it was probably a rank similar to captain with probably several company captains under him, though it also integrated duties of techmarines are probably chaplains as well. By the way note that most of this is informed speculation as nothing too official has been released on this matter, but informed from years of playing and reading up on the boys in boltgun. As for the rest of your story it sounds alright as only the word of Perturabo can force individual champions to play nice or help each other and is basically the glue that holds the legion together. For example, prior to the 13 Black Crusade Perturabo ordered a daemon prince to capture a planet from the Black Legion to use the warp gate there to allow another warsmith's fleet easy access to the Eye of Terror, and it implied that there is hell to pay if you disobey the primarch's wishes. Aside from that and the fact that a Terran would probably already be a warsmith as even the extremely powerful warsmith in Storm of Iron was Olympia born it seems alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Take a look at this topic where some of the Grand Companies are uncovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingbird Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I think your story sounds great :huh:. I think some, if not most, of the survivors in his company would follw him espeically if they have been been fighting together for 10k years. As far as Im aware a warsmith is the head of a grand company and originally their were 12 grand companies. Though probably a lot more now as different factions, such as your character, split off from the main ones. From what I can see from the fluff a grand company is usually split in to 3 smaller companies with a captain leading them. Hope that helps a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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