Daedalus Templarius Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 So, say you have DH allied with some SM, and those SM have Vulkan as an HQ choice. Would it be a total jerk move to consider the Incinerators/etc as flamer weapons so they are then twin-linked? I mean, an incinerator is just a flamer with anointed promethium inside, right? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonsword Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I can see it, up to a point, but the fact is that Vulkan's bonus is because he makes them master-crafted. I doubt the Grey Knights are going to be letting him tamper with their gear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Would it be a total jerk move to...If by 'Jerk Move' you mean cheating, then yes it would. Forgefather He'stan's special rules list the weapons he improves and Incinerators are not mentioned. Neither are 'Flamestorm Cannons' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 Yea, it is pretty bad, I probably wouldn't do it. Just wanted to see what others thought... but no kidding on the flamestorm cannons, that makes me sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Wow, I sounded far more mean spirited there than I intended. I do agree, it is a nice thought. It'd also be nice to twin link the Macro-Flamer on a Warhound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militis Templum Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 if flamestorms are not counted as heavy flamers.... (template weapon, heavy 1) what is it classed as then ? (note not to be foreseen as aggressive I'm curious as I'm a salamanders player) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 if flamestorms are not counted as heavy flamers.... (template weapon, heavy 1) what is it classed as then ? (note not to be foreseen as aggressive I'm curious as I'm a salamanders player) To be pedantic 'Flamestorm Cannons'. 'Heavy Flamer' refers to a specific profile. Unlike the storm shield thing, this feels wrong to me, but the text is clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militis Templum Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 There is just not a lot of information based on classifying what the flamestorms are and the lack of information means people have pre conceptions of what the rules mean. Not that it matters if the flamestorms are twin linked or not they still devastate any real opposition it would just be good having clarification as they are quite confusing. If there is any where I can find out more in regards to this could you give a link to this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I'm sorry but i fail to see what exactly is hard to understand, we are talking about four different weapons here with four different names and four different profiles. flamers, heavy flamers, flamestorms and incinerators. just because the latter two use a flame template as well doesn't mean they fall under the first two. Mel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sorry kids, we're not letting that dirty pyro in the dragonskin near our precious daemon-slaying gear. Incinerators already makes the baby Tzeentch cry tears of insanity (especially when you Tank Shock the buggers into a congo line with a Raider, then hop out and burninate+assault). Likewise, Vulkan has this ongoing rivalry with Redeemer tankers; their flamer is bigger then his ;) y'know, ego thing. Hence, no extra burnyness for them either. On the other hand, Vulkan is renowned for his abilities as a ladies man, so even the frigid bolter bitches can be charmed into letting him tinker with their wargear. His only condition is that they don't let Inquisitors or Priests along when they go a' purging; those guys just cramp his style (with their 'rules' and 'I'm in charge' earache). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2054951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonsword Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Oh, that one's easy. Just "fix" their thunderhammers or eviscerators. Then blame the machine spirits when they explode for implausible amounts of collateral damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2055008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toogeloo Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 If you want to be a real rules Lawyer, only the 4 weapons listed gain Twin-Linking as the rule specific labels them. This means the following weapons are not Twin-Linked in He'Stan's army (list not limited to just these though): Vulkan's Guantlet of the Forge Seraphim Hand Flamers Grey Knight Incenerators Saint Celestine's Ardent Blade (limited to Apocalypse games since He'Stan and Saint cannot be fielded together typically). The only weapons allowed are: Flamer Heavy Flamer Meltagun Multi-Melta Combi-Flamer Combi-Melta The difference to look for is whether the entry says the weapon fires as, like, or with the same effect as one of the 4 weapons, or if the weapon entry actually says it is one of the 4 weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2055217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltnot Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 It was also discussed at length before whether he even given this ability to allied units relating to whether or not they count as part of "his army". This is not defined properly anywhere so your opponent can easily ask you to show them in the rules where it defines this. You can find the discussion HERE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2055557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Saint Celestine's Ardent Blade (limited to Apocalypse games since He'Stan and Saint cannot be fielded together typically). just wondering why they cant be together normaly? if your refering to the fact that celestines entry says "a witch hunter" army may take her then you should know that was changed in a faq to "an army" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/173829-vulkan-and-incinerators/#findComment-2055956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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