Ceddyn Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Do unsaved wounds that do not kill anything because of wound allocation count for the combat resolution. Let's take a combat squad of 2 bolter marines (squad A) vs a bolter marine and a sergeant (squad B)as an example. Squad A gets 1 unsaved wound. Squad B gets 3 wounds, 1 is allocated on the sergeant, the other 2 on the bolter. The sergeant saves, the bolter marine fails both. Is this assault a draw with 1 wound for both or did A win with 2 wounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Any and all wounds actually taken by an enemy model are used... casualties matter not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackbar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 While we're on the subject of assault resolution, I could swear when I read the main rule book it said just 'wounds' and not 'unsaved wounds' like it says under instant death and elsewhere. Every game I've observed has played it counting only unsaved wounds, and this seems to work well enough. Am I reading too much into the wording here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Excess wounds do not count. Only the wounds that have been lost are taken into account. See page 39 in the rulebook. So in the above example it would have been a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryjak Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 At first, I thought this was a silly question, but I read the rules, which state: To decide who has won the combat, total up the number of unsaved wounds inflicted by each side on their opponents. The side that caused the most is the winner. Most people instead count the number of wounds suffered instead of inflicted. I'm not sure if my interpretation is correct, but there are many ways wounds inflicted would not equal wounds suffered. For example, a multi-wound model is wounded once, but from a weapon which inflicts 'Instant Death', he effectively suffers 3 wounds. Or conversely, a single-wound model could be wounded multiple times by a powerweapon; 4 inflicted wounds could result in just 1 wound suffered. The rules do not make this distinction though, so I think, RAW, you should be counting wounds inflicted, and thus Squad A would win by a margin of 2 wounds inflicted. (I also suggest you change the make-up of the squads to make the example clearer, and more believable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 If you would have read just a few sentenses further, the last paragraph of that section explains all that quite explicitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackbar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Actually, I went back and read my 5th ed rulebook and we're all wrong! Edit: Except for Legatus! In the first paragraph it clearly states 'unsaved wounds', though from then on the book uses the shorter 'wounds' to refer to this. My mistake. As for models with multiple wounds, the last paragraph clearly states that "wounds that have been negated by saving throws... do not count, nor do wounds in excess of a model's Wounds characteristic, only the wounds actually suffered by enemy models (including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instant death)" Emphasis mine. So the given example is indeed a tie, as the sergeant who suffered 2 wounds had only 1 to lose and thus counts only once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryjak Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Ok, that's half of the issue concluded... what about 'extra' wounds from Instant Death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceddyn Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 I can't believe I missed that paragraph, they explain it clearly indeed. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 *removed cause I was just plain WRONG* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 To quote the relevant passage again (...) only the wounds actually suffered by enemy models (including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instant death). If a Captain with full 3 wounds suffers an instant death wound, that counts for 3 towards combat resolution. If the Captain had already lost a wound during previous turns, having only 2 when suffering the instant death wound, that will count for 2 towards combat resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 To quote the relevant passage again (...) only the wounds actually suffered by enemy models (including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instant death). If a Captain with full 3 wounds suffers an instant death wound, that counts for 3 towards combat resolution. If the Captain had already lost a wound during previous turns, having only 2 when suffering the instant death wound, that will count for 2 towards combat resolution. This man, he speaks the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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