Grey Mage Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 So... if you DS a transport, does the unit inside count as DSing? For instance... the DP brings in a squad, and is DSing, and the unit is deployed- so as they deployed they count as moving. The DPs rule says they cant assault. But do they count as having DS that turn? Why/Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 So... if you DS a transport, does the unit inside count as DSing? For instance... the DP brings in a squad, and is DSing, and the unit is deployed- so as they deployed they count as moving. The DPs rule says they cant assault. But do they count as having DS that turn? Why/Why not? They count as deapstriking. pg 95, fith paragraph "In the movement phase when they arive these units may not move any further other than to disembark from a deepstriking transport" These units is refering to deapstriking units, thus the unit inside a deapstrikeing transport also counts as deapstriking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Wow. I have to disagree on that one. The Vehicle is Deep Striking, the unit is disembarking. Period. The vehicle does not grant the Deep Strike rule to the unit, or it would clearly state that it did in it's rules entry. But I can see that we're splitting hairs. Although Planetstrike borders on house-rules, it can serve to both confuse and clarify the question. It confuses it by granting Deep Strike to almost everything via the Shock Tactics rule. But the entry on Interceptors states: "Instead of firing in the Shooting phase, at the end of the enemy Movement phase each gun with the Interceptor special rule may fire once at any one unit that has deployed by Deep Strike within their range and line of sight. This can include units deployed by a vehicle with the Deep Strike rule..."This implies that there are units that can be transported by a vehicle with Deep Strike that do not themselves have the rule. *shakes head to clear grey-rules-fog* Whatever. I think the mechanic is the same. Is there something up your sleeve, GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 One of the FAQs refers to the unit arriving by drop pod being unable to assault because the unit was deep striking that turn. Not sure which FAQ, and won't be able to flip through to check until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Quote from Dark Angels FAQ Q. Can troops deploying from a Dark AngelsDrop Pod assault on the turn it lands? Unlike the Space Marines and Black Templars codexes, it does not state you cannot. A. No the embarked troops can’t assault, as they have deployed by deep strike that turn and troops that deep strike can’t assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Yes this has come up before. Folks argue that it is the transport and NOT the transported that have deepstruck. As I see it they deepstruck with the pod simply by virute of being in it, so yes they count as having deep struck. It's not about tranfering the DS rule to the unit, it's about how the unit itself entered play isn't it :no: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 *bows to wiser minds* Well, at least THAT makes sense. Kind of like units moving via Gate of Infinity count as Deep Striking. Got 'cha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 No need to resort to FaQs. The deep strike section mention sunits deep striking inside a transport, and refers to them as deep striking units, so we have it all in the basic rulebook. Frosty has quoted the relevant passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 Just thought Id check... couldnt find it during a game yesterday *of planetstrike* and since the Interceptor Weapon entry said "can" we thought perhaps there were exceptions/rules we didnt know about. As it makes a bit of a difference if my opponent has to use his quad autocannon or Indomitable Fortress's missile launcher on my Drop Pod, or the Pack that deployed out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 two things to add here: 1 - Is DS conveyed to the unit by their transport? in vanilla 40k this is irrelevant - the rules are clear that they may not assault, only disembark. 2 - in planetstrike, "units with the deep strike special rule in their unit entry" can assault after deep strike. so if a unit "deep strikes" by virtue of being on a transport, they themselves have not gained that rule, they have only been able to use it through a blanket special rule. 2a - in the case of a drop pod it is clear - units "may not assault," no matter who or what they are. see C:SM P69, drop pod assault. this is not over-ridden in planetstrike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 Oh no no no... wasnt trying to assault with them Hawks- Im well aware of that rule, as are my gaming group- we were trying to figure out if an interceptor gun could shoot at the squad IN the drop pod, instead of just the DP itself. Thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Yes, interceptors can fire on the troops coming out of drop pods and land speeder storms. Answered clearly on page 18 of the planetstrike book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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