rusty1109 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi all, Just got my first lss kit in the post and i've started this conversion. The aim is to make it look like it is a VTOL aircraft a bit like the ones in crysis. I'm not a big fan of the repeller plate idea tbh! This is still very WIP but you get the idea, the engines are rotatable and a bit loose at the moment so thats why they don't quite line up yet. All comments advice and criticism welcome! Heres the pics: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tuditanus Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm not a big fan of the engines on the front, the angle doesn't make them look too practical for thrust and such... But I can't offer a better suggestion. That's my only grip so far though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 What I would do is have the thrusters attached together via an axle. so when you turn one it turns the other, that way they are always uniform. Also this would let you have those front thrusters parallel to the rear thrusters, and more efffective. I like it, reminds me of a mini Thunderhawk Transporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal van Trapp Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 i agree with sgtNACHO, if you make it so they both rotate together then i think it would look a bit better. other than that i think it looks pretty cool, a good looking conversion you got going there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sword brethren Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 looks like a good idea but if you were a scout would you want to sit right behind the engine, i do like the idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifrons Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi everyone, here's my my first post in this forum ! Not that I don't like the model (except for the front engines). However, I fail to see the point in giving VSTOL capabilities to a vehicle with gravity engines. It kinda floats anyway :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 i like the idea of using VTOL's in the game, and have considered doing so myself but if yours is inspired by crysis then i wouldn't base it on a Landspeeder model for example fo those who dont know this is what it looks like: VTOL VTOL Transporter Lots of VTOL's as you can see its very similar to a Valkyrie/Vulture but if you were going for the idea of a VTOL in 40k then its definately a good start (EDIT~: as you can see from the 3rd pic, the wings rotate where the thrusters are) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1109 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi all, Thanks for the comments everyone it's always nice to hear what people think, sgtNACHO and Marshal van Trapp, thankyou of course such a simple idea, can't beleive i didn't think of it! sword brethren, Brother Tuditanus and Bifrons, The front engines were trcky for obvious reasons. I think it's ok though. The outward angle would send the efflux away from the passengers. But the side engines would only very rarely point directly backwards anyway. The winglets are clearly too small to generate enough lift to keep the craft airborne even at high speed. The purpose of the extra engines is to always point at least partially downwards keeping the craft aloft. The main thrust is from the 3 engines mountes in the rear of the speeder, the side engines are only for vertical thrust. In forward flight they will tilt more towards the horizontal which will give extra speed as well as tilting the winglets into the airflow so they create some lift therefore saving fuel (the speeder will always be kept in the air mainly by the thrust from the 4 extra engines. Even though from a modelling point of view my engines will be linked and rotate together in real life (in my head i suppose lol!) they operate independantly and are also used for control. Basically what i'm saying is that in my head the way it works means that it doesn't matter that the front engines flare out as it would only really be an aerodynamic problem when they are fully horizontal which will almost never happen. And i've got a cunningly prepared piece of fluff to explain why my chapters tech marines bothered with all this in the first place: My chapters home planet (or a planet where they spent an extended period of time fighting not decided yet) has an extremely weak magnetic field for reasons unknown so standard repeller plate terchnology cannot be used, necessitating this modification. And as is the way of things the chapter got used to having their speeders this way and made it the standard. One thing i'm thinking of is landing gear, i'm thinking skids at the minute aka battlestar galacticas fighters. But while i was thinking of it it made me wonder, how do normal landspeeders land? Landing gear would be a real challenge for this as i'm not sure where i'd relocate the sensor thingy at the bottom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Interesting idea, but I too have to protest the angle of those front engines. VTOL engines provide lift on takeoff, and then thrust during flight. Sure, those front engines would provide lift on takeoff, but when rotated for thrust during flight, the force of the engine would put enormous stress on the front of the speeder, effectively "pinching" it til it crumpled inward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1109 Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 You mis smy point, the extra engines would never turn anywhere near fully horizontal. The thrust would be provided by the three main engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester_prince Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I dont think speeders land, i think they are probably clamped or have a special dock, then switch the engines off. My only critasizm would be the inward pointing engines.... i looks odd which is a shame because its a brilliant idea and i think suites the marines much better then ghravity plates. The thunderhawks are kept in the sky by brute force and good old fashoned jets why shouldnt the landspeedrs. tbh the idea of the landspeedrs "anti grav" never appealed to me i much prefer this, leave the anti grav to the eldar and the tau. I do think that your engines would look better like the second example. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/ilivefordeath/vtol.jpg Having the wings the way you do seems to me to ruin the lines of the design, which ive begin to appreciate after scratch building a thunderhawk, everything on the spacemarine veichles is either one of two angles. 90 degrees or 45, well mostly. The thunderhawk transporter has front and back engines and they look like my above example. Im just saying this because I LOVE the idea, and I WILL be using it, and we all want you to habe the best possible design, no one here will purposefully give you bad advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1109 Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hi all, Your right, i see my folly now! I thought it would be too much of a challenge to extend the fuselage but was quite easy really, heres the latest pics with the front engines repositioned, and the landing gear completed: Your right it does look much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verpine Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 All i can say is, that's awesome! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 looks much better :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I wouldnt put them an a single axle, it would be unpracticle. You would most likely need them to turn freely for manovoures and whatnot. But I agree the front engines look much better straight. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Looks great much better now. Question: Where did you get the parts for the engiens? looks like a starwars model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1109 Posted July 26, 2009 Author Share Posted July 26, 2009 They're off an A-10 thunderbolt aircraft mode. All the engines are A-10 engines, the rear winglets are A-10 tail fins and the forward winglets were cut off the rear of the speeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Much much better If I were a Xenos scum (which I'm not) I'd be runnin for my life if I saw that with guns blazing, and 6 Scouts staring me down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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