Blackadder Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'm really over my head on this one. Scale will make or break this model and I can't get any decent leg measurements from the photos. I'm trying a different approach this time as I think the titan will be too top heavy if I make it all from plastic and resin. I'll begin with a basic hull shape as thats what I'm most sure of as far as scale. I've put about a week of evenings into this so far and I'm about to start on the head. I'm using foam filled poster board 5mm and 13mm thick which works very well and will give me the upper body lightness I'll be needing for stability. The body will be covered with sheet styrene after I get all the proportions right. I'm thinking 3/4" pine square stock for the leg segments and dowels for the round joints but that may be too massive when covered with styrene. Anyway here the rough hull and carapace prototype for refining the measurements. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12492.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12493.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12494.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12496.jpg The Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlagueBearer Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 It looks ok. I can't understand the scale of it but it looks fine!!! Keep it up and I hope you get it all right!!! PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 26, 2009 Author Share Posted July 26, 2009 It looks ok. I can't understand the scale of it but it looks fine!!!Keep it up and I hope you get it all right!!! PB Naturally I want this model to approximate the size of the FW original but in truth the only accurate measurement I have is that the model stands 10.5 inches high. That is also an ambiguous size as the model can be configured in an infinite number of poses from legs fully extended to a full squat positionand everything in between. I assume FW is referring to the pictured model in their catalog and that is what I based my measurements on but there is always that nagging doubt that I'll show up at some 40K event with my faux Warhound in hand and find that it's not the right size at all. Anyway heres the next set of images: I put a few hours in the next week resulting in this. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12731.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12728.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12729.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12730.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/12732.jpg The Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 a great start the hollow plastic is a great resource, with it being strong and light could you do some close up shots of the warhounds head? -unless you havent added the details yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Thanks for the reply Wiplash, I've been going through my photo record and these are the last shots I have of the preliminary building. Its a pity I didn't do more documentation in the beginning but 'There it is', as the saying goes. My next images will be of the actual full sized model as it was when I ultimately decided the proportions were reasonably accurate. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002325.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002324.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/DCP_7411.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/DCP_7412.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/DCP_7414.jpg Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Okay enough BS; after seemingly endless planning and failed starts I managed to cobble together a reasonably acceptable facsimile of my intended faithful reproduction of a FW Warhound with fully pose-able legs and feet. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/61385_FRONT_VIEW_122_140lo.jpg Only after I saw the photos was I fully aware of the obvious discrepancies. The hip cylinders were too small, The leg components weren't sufficiently massive. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/16526.jpg A side by side comparison of my hound's leg to a FW leg showed the areas that needed rebuilding. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/ARTICULATEDTOESANDLEGS.jpg The toes were too long and the joints were too large but they were fully poseable which was a good start. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/BOTTOMFRONTVIEW.jpg The bottom view revealed the waist was not large enough. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/BOTTOMSIDEQUARTERVIEW.jpg The body pivot axle was placed too far aft. That's why it pays to have scale drawings boys and girls, Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 One picture is worth a thousand words and in this case a thousand errors of perception. Working without any plan or measurement I have made numerous errors in scale and one digital photo revealed them. So after an all night rebuild here is the result plus I managed to attach the head as well. Incidentally all the leg and hip joints including the feet and toes are fully movable and posable at this point and I made the neck connection movable as well. Try that one FW:D http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002381.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002387.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002382-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002383a.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002385-1.jpg Whew, E. Blackadder Constructive critiques and comments would be greatly appreciated, EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver3x Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 This looks great. Would you happen to have templates? I would really love to make my own and some templates would help a lot :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sword brethren Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 looks amazing, nicw work in scale or not :) cant wait to see it finished, what weapons are you arming it with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 This looks great. Would you happen to have templates? I would really love to make my own and some templates would help a lot :) The only templates I have is the one that has been making the rounds on the internet. http://rapidshare.com/files/261517668/DIY_...__Templates.pdf These templates will give you a very rough representation of a Warhound that probably be quite satisfactory with proper detailing to someone who is not a pathological manic obsessive such as I am. E. Blackadder I found an excellent manual on how to build a FW Lucius pattern Warhound and how to reinforce the joints with metal rods so you don't continually have to rebuild it. http://rapidshare.com/files/261518014/BUIL...ITAN_MANUAL.pdf This was an invaluable guide showing hitherto unseen (by me) parts of the Warhound. And the FW assembly manual for which they should be shot by one of their own Plasma cannons so incomplete it is for a $450.00 dollar model. http://rapidshare.com/files/261519085/warhound.pdf Early in the construction planning stage I did do some drawings pictured below but how to download them in scale I do not know. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/FRONTVIEW-1.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/titantopview02.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/TOPBOTVIEW.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/WARHOUNDBLUEPRINTA.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/titantopview11.jpg Be forewarned that some of my estimates on these drawings are in error such as the width to length of the engine vent fan housing. Other areas such as the Void shield generator housings I altered to suit my ideas on how it should look. Other than that what I shall be posting in the coming days will throughly document my perception of the numerous components to this model and how I went about replicating them in my trial and error manner. You're welcome to them. Edmund Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 This looks great. Would you happen to have templates? I would really love to make my own and some templates would help a lot :) I've quit fretting about the scale as it's over 95% complete by now except for the weapons which I've yet to start on in any real way. As much as I like the look of the plasma cannon I already built one for my scratch built Titan Hunter pictured below: http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002243-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002282CU.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002283CU.jpg Initially I suppose I'll build mega bolters and lascannons and mount them so they can be removed and eventually build all the weapons including another plasma cannon but no fist or chainsaw which I believe has no esthetic value mounted on a Titan. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver3x Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Thank you so very much man. I have been searchfailing for about a week now. This was very nice of you, but also effectively killing going outside for the rest of the year now :lol: Thanks again :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 You are such a perfectionist. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 First of all thank you to; Firenze, and Guyver3x for the replies There's a few discrepancies in my version but not enough to change what I have. Right now the head armor is a bit too thin. and the angle of the fore to aft run of the base of the muzzle is not extreme enough but it will have to do as you can see by the posted image of this dates work the armor is in place. Onward and upward as they say. Blackadder http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/01ASOF04-05-09.jpg This image may look a little strange because the legs are in full extension. It will not be able to do this when the hydraulic cylinders are installed. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/02ASOF04-05-09.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/03ASOF04-05-09.jpg The waist pivot point still has not been moved forward in this image. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04ASOF04-05-09.jpg If you were a grunt This is the last thing you would see!!! :) http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/05ASOF04-05-09.jpg The Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 I managed to screw up the muzzle of this beast and had to redo it which set me back a day or two but the problem has been remedied and I am starting on the detail of the head. Here is the result as of this date. Now that I'm fairly satisfied with the overall proportions the fine detail should progress rapidly (When I find the time.) First of all I thickened up the armor on the muzzle after reangling the side panels on the snout http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09FRONTVIEW.jpg I tacked on the top of the head armor because I will be removing it to install the windows and windshield after painting http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09TOPVIEW.jpg The following images are of the underside of the head. I had no idea that area was so detailed as not one of the pictures I've seen showed anything but a glimpse of this section of the model. I have a benefactor on another forum who graciously provided some images of this detail. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09UNDERSIDEFRONTVIEW.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09UNDERSIDEHEADANDBODY.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09UNDERSIDEHEAD.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/04-12-09UNDERSIDEHEADCLOSEUP.jpg E. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Sexy!!! love this man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beornling 3.1415 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 This makes my plan to make a Zaku inspired dreadnaught look to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 1, 2009 Author Share Posted August 1, 2009 This makes my plan to make a Zaku inspired dreadnaught look to shame. Sorry, my intent was to inspire and stimulate not discourage scratchbuilding. Here's a good rule to follow when scratchbuilding, "It's just as hard to make a well detailed small model as a large one." "Never steal anything small," Quote Bernie Madoff Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 I started this project attempting to build a Warhound facsimile for my son out of foam filled board but the more I got into it the more I wanted to have a realistic copy of the original. I have departed from the original design in a few areas especially the shield generator housings in the back which looked a bit small and blocky on the original. Mine are larger and I think more in keeping with the overall sleekness of the rest of the model; the carapace at least. I'm not too worried about the legs any more; I believe they are within a millimeter of accuracy in diameter and length. my major concern is the hip ball joints which are 3mm too small in diameter although it's hard to see the difference. I've left the waist for last in detailing as I still am looking for a ball 2.57cm in diameter. Below are the images of the model to date: http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002459.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002460.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002461.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002462.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002463.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002464.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002465.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002466.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002467.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002468.jpg once again thanks for the replies and input, E. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 More underside detail. Purists will note that I departed from the original in the aux servo compartments albeit through necessity as my carapace ceiling is over 1.3cm thick. this is because originally I used 1/2 foam core poster board as it was to be a trial build for practice. It came out so well I decided to just skin it in sheet styrene and let it go at that forgetting the extra thick ceiling; whoops. Came the time to add the detail and lo and behold there was not enough recess depth for the actual compartment components. Even I drew the line at completely rebuilding the carapace so hence my amended version. Sue me for laziness but at this point I just want to see the d---ed thing done, Blackadder http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002478.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002479.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Woah...ambitious! :( Its coming along very nicely, due you plan on having the head interior detailed also? Corpus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venix Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I've been following the progress on your Warhound both here, and on Warseer, and I must say that it's coming along very nicely. And hopefully we'll all get to see it fully constructed, and painted in the relatively near future. I'm sure your son will be ecstatic with the end result of your efforts. Would you be willing to post a list of base materials, and dimensions of materials that you've used, beyond the 1/2" foam-core? It would be nice to know the options available, as I'd like to not have a paper and cardboard Titan once I get beyond the planning stage for my own. What did you use to build the legs/feet? I can't say that I recognize the hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 I noticed in your Warhound Titan Thread that you left links for a Template for a Scratch-Built Warhound Titan. Is there any chance you know where I could find any others, say, for a Rhino? Or, for that matter, any other 40k models? Thanks a bunch, Blood Raven ++EDIT++ As indicated by the PCA rules, posting information in regards to paper templates is very much frowned upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Woah...ambitious! :lol: Its coming along very nicely, due you plan on having the head interior detailed also? Corpus 'fraid not, the head is a solid block of foam. I will be putting two crewmembers in the cockpit visible through the windows but thats it. Thanks for the reply, EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 this is brilliant mate one of the most highly detailed scratchbuilds i have seen congrats :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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