Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 I've been following the progress on your Warhound both here, and on Warseer, and I must say that it's coming along very nicely. And hopefully we'll all get to see it fully constructed, and painted in the relatively near future. I'm sure your son will be ecstatic with the end result of your efforts. Would you be willing to post a list of base materials, and dimensions of materials that you've used, beyond the 1/2" foam-core? It would be nice to know the options available, as I'd like to not have a paper and cardboard Titan once I get beyond the planning stage for my own. What did you use to build the legs/feet? I can't say that I recognize the hardware. Whoa that's a tall order, I haven't a clue what material I bought totally dedicated to this particular model. I always have a stock of Evergreen plastic card sheets, rods, tubing and the like. When I get close to running out I buy some more. Aside from 0.5mm sheets I really didn't use very much material. If you go back to the beginning posts you will see the legs and feet I build just to get a feel for the construction. I used those parts to form the core for the actual legs and feet of the present model. I'm afraid I haven't any real plans or measurements. Everything I've done is by eye from the hundreds of images I've accumulated over the years. I have no way of knowing how far off I am in scale or size as I've never seen a Warhound in person. The only measurement I have is the one provided by FW which ambiguously states the model is 10.5 inches high. My model can be from 9.5 inches to 11.5 inches high depending on the pose but it looks best at the stated 10.5 inches so I'm pretty satisfied that I am close to the mark. I can give the measurement s off of my model but they may be wrong The hardware for the legs and feet is 8-32 screws and 10-32 for the neck. I bought some wooden drawer pull knobs from a local craft store for the gimbals and cast the sockets with industrial epoxy. I used PVC plumbing tubing for the leg joints and wood dowels for the joint axles. I'll see if I can come up with a more comprehensive list but I must warn you I am a inveterate plastic collector. I've been collecting plastic for years. Old toys my kids broke, printer ribbon cartridges, plastic hangers for hanging flower pots, etc. I used all that junk to build this and other models so where you can find that stuff will be hard. Right now I am looking at a plug in motorized air freshener my wife bought; damn me if it wouldn't be a perfect head for a Warlord type titan. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 this is brilliant mate one of the most highly detailed scratchbuilds i have seen congrats :D Thanks, the best is hopefully yet to come. The self-aggrandizing Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Thanks to all for the words of encouragement. I've been agonising over the following step and trying to figure out how to make a proper ring of plastic around the orbit of the ankle and hip ball socket receptacle and the following is how I finally managed to accomplish it. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002476.jpg Surprisingly simplicity itself but the most obvious somehow escapes us. I started by gluing with a good grade of thin liquid plastic glue. I use 'Tamiya - Extra Thin Cement : http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002471.jpg I glued the selected piece to the periphery of the socket using the installed ball as an inner guide. fortunately I used wooden spheres so they are not affected by the glue. I imparted a slight curve to the ring strip initially and started a bit before the desired location so the beginning end could be cut off leaving a curved beginning. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002472.jpg Applying pressure with your thumb (or favorite finger) serves two purposes; one it is a clamp you can rely on to make the proper curve and two the heat of your hand speed the drying of the glue. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002473.jpg Following the curve of the ball make gluing every 30 degrees or so being careful to not let the glue flow back to the starting point as it may dissolve the original joint and you'll have to start over. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002474.jpg working your way around the ball to the starting point, cut off the short straight piece from the beginning and cut the end of the strip to butt with the beginning and voila; a perfect ring of plastic. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002475.jpg I needed a second ring to thicken the ring on the ankle and hip but the second layer is easier than the first and my only complaint is why didn't I think of this sooner. The mentally challenged Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Beautiful scratch build so far man. I saw the foam and at first I thought this could go really badly or really well and it seems you're fleshing this thing out to look awesome. I breathed a sigh of relief after seeing your last couple posts. Keep going brother. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 Yes that initial foam core hull and carapace is truly an abomination. I was never much for wasting time on hidden detail. Most of my projects have a rather crude internal support structure as likely as not I will bisect the structure with a saw if need be to refine the design. All that can be said for the base structure is it's unusually strong and light weight. I actually cut the head in half twice laterally and longitudinally to get it to the proper size. I managed to solve the problem of the ankle articulation so I could have telescoping hydraulic cylinders. I had to do extensive cutting of the lower leg segment and ankle joint to accommodate the piston and cylinder bases. The fine detail of the cylinder reinforcement rings have demonstrated to me that there is a limit to how much tinier I can go in the medium of styrene plastic. putting rivet detail on those rings is seemingly out of the question as the filing dust is not much smaller than the rivets themselves. even the cylinder data plates which I made of 0.25mm sheet styrene appear too thick and will have to be sanded thinner. The cylinder base hinge points I just took a guess at and fortunately I guessed correctly. The cyl. range of motion is minimal e.g. on the order of 0.5mm to 1.0mm. The piston base has a larger range of motion; approximately 2.0mm to 3.0mm as the joint is flexed. All in all the pistons have a travel of about 0.5cm which is sufficient for most poses of the leg as any further extention begins to look rather silly. I consider these cylinders the hardest to make due to the enclosed nature of the housings so the hip cylinders will be a cinch relatively speaking. EB http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002480.jpg Piston and cylinder breakdown components and assembly installed http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002481.jpg Cyl. & Pistons install to their bases and the install ankle assembly fully compressed http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002483.jpg detail of the ankle joint components and the ankle side vents and newly installed foot side ventilator grid. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002485.jpg Ankle joint in full extended position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venix Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I must warn you I am a inveterate plastic collector. I've been collecting plastic for years. Old toys my kids broke, printer ribbon cartridges, plastic hangers for hanging flower pots, etc. I used all that junk to build this and other models so where you can find that stuff will be hard. Right now I am looking at a plug in motorized air freshener my wife bought; damn me if it wouldn't be a perfect head for a Warlord type titan. I know what you mean, I've always been something of a pack-rat myself; my wife hates it, and I had to throw out/store most of my "useful" junk when we got married since we have no space for it. The new pictures of the legs are quite helpful actually, now that I can (better) grasp how they are assembled, and function. Thanks! Bottom line is improvisation and creativity I see. Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavaman Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 This is truly awesome (thats a word i rarely use) serious, it's that good! can't wait to see the finished article. i doubt i'll ever see a beter one (in this class anyway, a certain someone on here built the mother of all titans)..... only one that moves could top it.... now there's a thought.. crack on bud, i wanna see this done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 The new pictures of the legs are quite helpful actually, now that I can (better) grasp how they are assembled, and function. Thanks! Then you may be interested in this: The full range of motion upper and lower leg hydraulics installed albeit without the finally dressing, cleaning and fine detail (note the pins for quick disassembly instead of proper axles.) Still a work in progress and the unforgiving eye of the camera disclosed some troubling flaws in the squareness of my cuts that were not readily apparent to my bleary eyes. Blackadder http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002487-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002489-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002490-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002491-1.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002492-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 This is truly awesome (thats a word i rarely use) serious, it's that good! can't wait to see the finished article. i doubt i'll ever see a beter one (in this class anyway, a certain someone on here built the mother of all titans)..... only one that moves could top it.... now there's a thought..crack on bud, i wanna see this done Thanks for the accolades I hope the finish lives up to your expectations. Would you provide a link to the mother of all titans? Thx Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 Chicken legs not withstanding I'm going to complete this model and not rebuild the legs anymore. I've grown a bit tired of working on the legs and started the waist/hips component. There's a surprising amount of detail in this part more than you would guess a first glance. I suppose the most interesting feature is the coil covered cable that runs down the back. Fortunately I have some extra thin copper wireand just wrapped it around some undersized styrene rod and voila, a reasonable facsimile of the conduit. a ring of 1/8 tubing drilled and cemented in place and a styrene block at the other end. some judicious bends and securing in place with extra thin cement and it's done. The ring below the gearlike waistband contained 16 parts not counting the ring itself and the waistband containd 32. Dozens of odd bits and tubing, shaved 1/32 rod for rivets and cover fasteners. All in all two days work and damned little to show for it. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002496.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002506.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002507.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002508.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002511.jpg Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Here is a section of the model that is dense with detail and I'll venture to say that unless you've actually built a FW Warhound I'll bet you've never seen it. The almost never seen bottom of the waist component. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002512.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002513.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002514.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002515.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002517.jpg EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 Now that you have some idea how I made the cylinders; here are the completed ankle servos installed on the left leg and just the top parts on the right leg. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002566.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002567.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002568.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002569.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002570.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002571.jpg I'm thinking the legs don't look too scrawny now, A very satisfied Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I'm really inspired by what you're able to create with mostly over the shelf parts. I think this warhound is coming along better than the FW one. Almost seems TOO easy with your execution and style of build. Almost seems stupid for GW NOT to put out a plastic warhound at this point. Everyone seems to want one. Are you going to do the faceted leg plates or the curvilinear plates? I'm assuming faceted since the warhound is mimicking the faceted version. The only comment i have is the torso seems maybe a little to far back on the upper torso. Its starting to look front heavy to me. BTW: don't be discouraged by lack of responses, I think people are mostly dumbfounded by your build and have no idea how to respond. Kinda sux thats the case though... Keep going though, please. This is one of the coolest things on the WIP forum, no offense to anyone else :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavaman Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Great progress, here's a link to a pic of the mother, not my mother!... or indeed the mother of all titans... THE MOTHER OF THE EMPEROR HIMSELF! http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5393/warbringer5.jpg how long before paint? and i have to second that point about it looking a lil front heavy, an easy fix no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 Great progress, here's a link to a pic of the mother, not my mother!... or indeed the mother of all titans... THE MOTHER OF THE EMPEROR HIMSELF! http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5393/warbringer5.jpg how long before paint? and i have to second that point about it looking a lil front heavy, an easy fix no doubt There's quite a bit more detail to do still. The measurement between the waist axis and the front has been adjusted in the most recent uploads. This just because the waist and thigh armor still needs to be added. As for the Mother of all Titans maybe so but here's my next goal. A scratch built of this beauty after I finish the Warhound. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/Favorite009-1.jpg Now there's a Warlord that looks like it belongs on a battleboard. IMHO, EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 I'm really inspired by what you're able to create with mostly over the shelf parts. I think this warhound is coming along better than the FW one. Almost seems TOO easy with your execution and style of build. Almost seems stupid for GW NOT to put out a plastic warhound at this point. Everyone seems to want one. If GW does one I hope it's a Mars pattern and they don't make a hash of it like they did the Baneblade. Are you going to do the faceted leg plates or the curvilinear plates? I'm assuming faceted since the warhound is mimicking the faceted version. I'm going to make the faceted armor. The only comment i have is the torso seems maybe a little to far back on the upper torso. Its starting to look front heavy to me. The only accurate bottom view I have is this slightly foreshortened view from the FW building manual. My Warhound is faithful to this image and if needs be I can move the axis as much as a quarter inch forward. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/BOTVIEW.jpg I appreciate your concern but rest assured I will not compromise the finished product. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 The waist cylinders are done and temporarily mounted. Except for the detail they are complete. The model has become too heavy to stand on it's own without suspension wires. Once the joints are glued I'm hoping it will and still be poseable. It's taken quite a beating in the past few days with assembling and disasembling to fit parts and I managed to break a few toes. Nothing serious and I'll be reworking the toes anyhow. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002580.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002577.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002576.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002575.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002574.jpg So here's the project as it stands at this moment and my appreciation to all for the support as I might have given up without your huzzahs. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 really great work man. very interesting wip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 More images of the waist cylinders from the back this time. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002584.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002586.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002587.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002588.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002589-1.jpg EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Started on the hatch hinges and the generator housing covers. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002590.jpg This first image shows an area I wasn't particularly satisfied with. More on this section later. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002595.jpg The bulky hinges are ridiculous looking but they're on the original so there it is. FW add these for decorative purposes and the model looks rather bland without them http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002592.jpg The penciled arrow points to another rework area. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002591.jpg Same area different lighting. EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Here's a tip for modelers and I'll use this picture for illustration. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002590.jpg I see a lot of replies from those who say they wish they could model as I seem to be able to. The picture below shows a rebuild of an area I wasn't completely satisfied with. Modeling is a labor of love and my motto is, "Good enough is never good enough." As you all may know I am working without a decent plan so to not make a mistake I'll have to repair I sketch the next few parts on the hull and look at them for a few days to see if they are the correct size and shape. I edit them as need be and when I'm sure they're reasonable correct I fabricate the part in plastic and tack it on. If all looks well in the cold light of dawn I'll cement them on with the extra thin glue. The best advice I can give to you is don't be in a rush. EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 The above area repaired. It was the work of a half hour and looks much better. If I had left it the way it was it always would have bothered me that I didn't take the time to set it right. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002600crop.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002604.jpg Of course no one would have noticed the flaw but me. The Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 I got tired of looking to buy fans for the upper cooling compartment. I managed to make a few after some trial and error so the last one I took some pictures of the process.http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002598.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002601.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002602.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/FAN1.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/FAN2.jpg It took about 20 minutes to make the four. After they're trimed and under the cover screen I believe they'll look fine. Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 I wasted a lot of time in stores and on the net looking to buy these fans but there just isn't anything to fit the bill. Hell I even looked at buttons in a sewing shop. Ultimately I bit the bullet and made the damned things and it wasn't as daunting a task as I had thought. By the time I made the fourth one I had become quite adept at making 12 bladed 9.5mm fans although I wouldn't like to make any more.http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002603.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002607.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/The_Blackadder/P0002609.jpg Blackadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadmad Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 WOW! I want one! That can only be called epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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