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I've picked up a Warhound along the way - as you do - and am keen to replace its existing paint job with one that fits with the wolves better.

 

I cannot find any fluff that supports a link to a specific legion but at least the War Griffins colours match quite well.

 

Any suggestions from anyone...

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My suggestion:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law as long as is good in the allfather's eyes...

 

Ok, that jars even in my ears, but seriously, paint it exactly like you will.

I'm getting a Warhound later in the year and have every intention of painting it in the colours of my great company.

And it will have plenty of wolfyness about it.

 

It's what I want to do, so it's what I'm gonna do...

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I was tempted to Blood Claw it up but decided that something that complimented the Great Company might be interesting as well.

 

I'm quite happy to go with what looks good but just wondered if there was some canon I'd missed somewhere that linked the Chapter to a particular Titan Legion...

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I was tempted to Blood Claw it up.....

 

I would think that if anything other than "Chapter Colors" it would be Long Fang or more generally Heavy Support color oriented (Black and White where appropriate).

 

Pink.

 

Paint it pink.

 

Confuse those damn xenos and chaos worshiping fools.

 

The "Emperor's Children" will think it one of theirs.

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I was tempted to Blood Claw it up.....

 

I would think that if anything other than "Chapter Colors" it would be Long Fang or more generally Heavy Support color oriented (Black and White where appropriate).

 

 

 

I though BC as it's a Warhound, with Reaver = GH and Warlord = LF

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I though BC as it's a Warhound, with Reaver = GH and Warlord = LF

 

I don't think they are separated into those kinds of class catagories. They are not Troops choices but Heavy Support ones and would think that they ALL would have the markings of THAT class catagory. Just sayin'. It wouldn't seem very plausible to me that a Wolf Lord would set a handful of hot blooded Blood Claws into the cockpit of a Titan. More likely to me, they would be select Brothers sent to an Adeptus Mechanicus or other appropriate venue for training as a: Pilot, Navigator, Communications, Engineer or whatever else aboard such a vehicle. Much like their Brother Wolves that operate Landspeeders, Predators, Rhinos, Land Raiders and such, their primary function is to operate the vehicle in the manner which their Wolf Lord has dictated on the battlefield, not to feel their blood rage and go charging headlong into the fray. If/when the vehicle (Titans are vehicles too) is disabled, I would fully expect the Wolves withn to egress and join their Brothers by fighting side-by-side with them, like the Space Wolves they are at their core.

 

It just makes much more sense to me that more veteran marines are chosen/selected to operate vehicles as their maturity (over time as well as experience in battle) would season them to perform the functions required to operate a vehicle in battle. Especially without rushing in with bloodlust and potentially stepping on Brother Wolves in the process.

 

Different strokes I guess. Your Chapter, paint them your way. Just don't forget pics...........or it doesn't really exist.

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Oh dear... whilst some of our brothers are very knowledgeable about the Lords and Companies of the Fang they are perhaps less informed of workings of our cousins in the Mechanicum. (Disclaimer - I'm going to do the fluff nazis argument here. You don't have to follow it, but this is how the canon says "the way things are.")

 

The Titan Legios are the most potent force in the Imperium, save perhaps the Astartes. Even then, little can stand before the might of a Battle Titan. They are soley under the remit of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and remain broadly similar in structure to before the coming of the Emperor. Each Legio is a distinct group, seperate from all others. Again, they are broadly similar to the different chapters of the Astartes in that each is in theory a complete battle grouping, with Skiitari infantry support. There is no such thing, according to canon, as a Space Marine Titan, or a Titan Crewed by Space Marines, or anything like that. (This doesn't mean you can't have a Titan that has fought with the Wolves before, and has been honoured by the Priests with Runic inscriptions of friendship and loyalty.)

 

There are 4 distinct classes of Titan - the Warhound Scout Titan (an aggressive hunter killer), the Reaver Battle Titan (usually a fire support unit with Turbo Lasers and Missiles), the Warlord Titan (Can be multi tasked for any role) and the Imperator - a walking, armoured and armed fortress often comprising a Command and Control centre. There are also rare, psyker modified variants capable of channelling warp energy in unthinkable power levels.

 

As far as crew goes, there will be a Princeps, Moderati and Steersman at least aboard each Titan. Reavers also have slaved Servitors for the arm weapons and a Tech Priest to monitor the reactors. Larger Titans have even more crewmen, often handling a specific role.

 

Hope that helps!

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I didn't envisage it being crewed by sw - a bit of a waste of wolfpower - more that it's role within a titan legion was more akin to a BC than a LF and this could be reflected in the paint job. Still if a new Iron Priest is on the cards...

 

I'm just dabbling with it now as there's all the stuff I've promised to have done for the Great Hunt to crack first but piccies in due course.

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As for what legio to paint it as.... well hrmm.

 

These were at the battle for armaggeddon, you might look into them:

 

Legio Crucius

Legio Ignatum

Legio Invigilata

Legio Magna

Legio Metalica

Legio Tempestor

Legio Victorium

 

I believe weve worked closely with the Legios Victorium, Ignatum, and Tempestor on several occaisions... they might require more consideration.

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I can't remember which but there were likely several Titan Legions that the Space Wolves fought alongside during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, likely elements of Legio Tempestus and there was another mentioned but I can't remember exactly. I've actually been considering what Legio to paint a Titan in if I did get one. Thing is you paint a Titan in SW colors it really only fits with the Wolves, but a Titan is the kind of model one can use alongside any Imperial army, IMO it's better to paint it in the color of an actual Legio or your own DIY Titan Legio and it gives you tons of fluff opportunities to link the two forces in common actions and form bonds of friendship and political alliances and so on and so forth, and should you have more than one army you can use it with them too.
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Perhaps some honor's markings on the shin or shoulder armar signifying what units they have fought alongside?

 

That's a pretty sweet idea. Something like Ragnar's Black Wolfhead or other Great Wolf Icon and in the same respect as WWII Fighter kills or Bomber missions, use paw prints or something to indicate how many times the Titan has fought alongside the Wolves or a given Great Company.

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Oh dear... whilst some of our brothers are very knowledgeable about the Lords and Companies of the Fang they are perhaps less informed of workings of our cousins in the Mechanicum. (Disclaimer - I'm going to do the fluff nazis argument here. You don't have to follow it, but this is how the canon says "the way things are.")

 

The Titan Legios are the most potent force in the Imperium, save perhaps the Astartes. Even then, little can stand before the might of a Battle Titan. They are soley under the remit of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and remain broadly similar in structure to before the coming of the Emperor. Each Legio is a distinct group, seperate from all others. Again, they are broadly similar to the different chapters of the Astartes in that each is in theory a complete battle grouping, with Skiitari infantry support. There is no such thing, according to canon, as a Space Marine Titan, or a Titan Crewed by Space Marines, or anything like that. (This doesn't mean you can't have a Titan that has fought with the Wolves before, and has been honoured by the Priests with Runic inscriptions of friendship and loyalty.)

 

There are 4 distinct classes of Titan - the Warhound Scout Titan (an aggressive hunter killer), the Reaver Battle Titan (usually a fire support unit with Turbo Lasers and Missiles), the Warlord Titan (Can be multi tasked for any role) and the Imperator - a walking, armoured and armed fortress often comprising a Command and Control centre. There are also rare, psyker modified variants capable of channelling warp energy in unthinkable power levels.

 

As far as crew goes, there will be a Princeps, Moderati and Steersman at least aboard each Titan. Reavers also have slaved Servitors for the arm weapons and a Tech Priest to monitor the reactors. Larger Titans have even more crewmen, often handling a specific role.

 

Hope that helps!

 

The titan legions like all other imperium forces used to report to the space marines back during the great crusade. But then the lords of terra decided that after the horus hersey that all the different branches would be split up into their own command structure that would report to them. The space marines are different in that they predated the lords of terra so they are don't answer to the lords of terra, which is why the chapters that didn't really support spliting up the space marines legions don't always go with what the imperium leaders or the inquistion says.

 

Isn't it the Emperor class titan rather than the Imperator? There is also the legendary stc class titan which all other titans are based on.

 

Just to say that thereis no titan that is controlled by any chapter.

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The titan legions like all other imperium forces used to report to the space marines back during the great crusade. But then the lords of terra decided that after the horus hersey that all the different branches would be split up into their own command structure that would report to them. The space marines are different in that they predated the lords of terra so they are don't answer to the lords of terra, which is why the chapters that didn't really support spliting up the space marines legions don't always go with what the imperium leaders or the inquistion says.

 

That's not entirely the case. The Imperium's military forces were combined into the Imperial Army. Post Heresy the army was split into the Imperial Guard and the Imperial Navy. However the Imperial Army was never as far as I know under the direct command of the Space Marines themselves, only the Primarch's had direct authority over the other branches of the Imperial Military though deference and respect were given regularly to the wishes of the Astartes.

 

However pre and post heresy the branches of the Imperium with the title "Adeptus" have a lot of autonomy. Post Heresy this includes the Adepta Sororitas, the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Adeptus Astartes, the Adeptus Titanicus and so on and so forth. So actually the Titan Legions don't directly report to the Mechanicum either, their alliance is more a result of tradition and mutual reliance than formal authority. Anyway it's the Adeptus status that gives the Space Marines their autonomy, technically the Adeptus' really only report to the Emperor, the authority of the High Lord's is iffy, usually enforced through a smile and a battlefleet. This also means that the Space Marines and Titan Legions can and do form close friendships and alliances as they both are outsiders to the regular Imperial Military structure and their officers often back one another up in reminding Imperial Commanders of that fact, as well as mutual respect earned on the battlefield. Some Legio's and Chapter's have a long history going back to the Heresy, others don't have that history but still form close ties.

 

Isn't it the Emperor class titan rather than the Imperator? There is also the legendary stc class titan which all other titans are based on.

 

Imperator is latin for Emperor if I recall correctly. The names are one and the same and interchangeable for the class. As for the legendary Titan, that's some rather horrendous fluff in one of the rather poor Grey Knight novels and hardly solid fluff material.

 

Interrestingly enough there are also Knight Titan's, which are roughly twice the size of a Dreadnaught but very similar in function, with only one pilot linked directly to the machine. Fluff on this class has been sparce for quite some time till a recent significant inclusion in the Horus Heresy book Mechanicum, whether or not GW/BL will choose to bring the little referenced or known class into the spotlight more, or possibly give them models and/or rules is uncertain in the extreme.

 

A couple things to note about Titans is that Warlord's and Emperor's have their Princeps almost always permanently interred in an MIU tank, which fully submerses the Princeps in the data stream of the Titan and links him to the machine far more completely than the interface used in Warhound and Reaver class Titans. Secondly Imperator class Titan's are more like walking fortresses, with a bastion built into each leg housing a whole Regiment of Imperial Guard according to their fluff, and a Cathedral mounted on the Titan's shoulders.

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Vash is on the right lines, but it's a little more fine than that. Technically the Mechanicum is an entirely seperate entity with no recourse to either the High Lords or even what they refer to as "The Throne of Terra." Although there is a Cult Mechanicus train of thought that suggests that the Emperor and the Omassiah (Machine God) are one and the same, this is not a universal view.

 

The relationship between the AM and the Imperium is symbiotic - both need the other to survive. But the AM views itself as separate and distinct, and though the Astartes and Legios may form bonds of brotherhood and mutual respect, do not think that they will be commanded by the other - they remain two, albeit allied, groups.

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Interrestingly enough there are also Knight Titan's, which are roughly twice the size of a Dreadnaught but very similar in function, with only one pilot linked directly to the machine. Fluff on this class has been sparce for quite some time till a recent significant inclusion in the Horus Heresy book Mechanicum, whether or not GW/BL will choose to bring the little referenced or known class into the spotlight more, or possibly give them models and/or rules is uncertain in the extreme.

 

Yes, my friend has a Mechanicum army with three knights built for the Tempus Fugitives weekends:

 

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/helmseye/01-2.jpg

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http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/helmseye/05-1.jpg

 

He could only field two as they are 400 pts each but battlegrouped with my (borrowed) Warhound in an Apoc game they were truly awesome...

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Vash is on the right lines, but it's a little more fine than that. Technically the Mechanicum is an entirely seperate entity with no recourse to either the High Lords or even what they refer to as "The Throne of Terra." Although there is a Cult Mechanicus train of thought that suggests that the Emperor and the Omassiah (Machine God) are one and the same, this is not a universal view.

 

True but as far as the Imperium is concerned the Mechanicus are just an Adeptus like the others and the Titan Legion's are also an Adeptus as well so technically they have just as much autonomy as the Mechanicus does and don't directly serve them officially. Unofficially is another matter I suppose.

 

Yes, my friend has a Mechanicum army with three knights built for the Tempus Fugitives weekends:

 

He could only field two as they are 400 pts each but battlegrouped with my (borrowed) Warhound in an Apoc game they were truly awesome...

 

Cool stuff there. :devil:

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True but as far as the Imperium is concerned the Mechanicus are just an Adeptus like the others and the Titan Legion's are also an Adeptus as well so technically they have just as much autonomy as the Mechanicus does and don't directly serve them officially. Unofficially is another matter I suppose.

 

Except that all the tians are crewed by mechanicus and are only kept at forge worlds. The titan legions are under the command of the mechanicus, they are just their own battle force when on the field of battle.

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Except that all the tians are crewed by mechanicus and are only kept at forge worlds. The titan legions are under the command of the mechanicus, they are just their own battle force when on the field of battle.

 

Not really. The Adeptus Titanicus and Adeptus Mechanicus are so closely linked they may as well be one entity however that is not the case. Each has Adeptus status and each is a seperate entity. But like the Mechanicus and the Imperium, the Titan Legions and the Mechanicus are tied through mutual dependency, the Titan Legion's require the facilities and materials that the Mechanicus provides and the Mechanicus often requires the protection of the Titan Legions, however the Titan Legion's do not directly report to the Mechanicus, they have their own traditions, organizations, and chain of command. From a technical stand point the Mechanicus has no command authority over the Titan Legions, just like the High Lord's have no technical authority to command the Adeptus Astartes. However if the Titan Legion's don't keep the Mechanicus happy they don't get Enginseers to fix their stuff, ammunition to feed their guns or facilities with which to berth and repair, likewise the Titan Legion's can't demand these things from the Mechanicus but if the AdMech don't keep the Legion's equipped and in repair they lose their invaluable protection.

 

However note that mutual dependancy doesn't equal a mutual chain of command, even though unofficially the Titan Legion's mostly consider themselves part of the Adeptus Mechanicus, when push comes to shove however they can ignore the Mechanicus. This political setup comes together nicely in "Titanicus" which as with most of Abnett's stuff is a good read.

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Isn't it the Emperor class titan rather than the Imperator? There is also the legendary stc class titan which all other titans are based on.

 

It's the Emperor class titan, divided into two subclasses: Imperator and Warmonger

 

The Imperator is the Emperor class that is going to be both a command structure, and also a way to get some incredibly serious firepower up close and personal.

The Warmonger is a way to get some insanely powerful long ranged support into a titan war. Since these guys dedicate themselves to blowing stuff away, you can bet that there's a staggering amount of firepower that goes into one.

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