Pils Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hi, i have searched about abit trying to find this answer but to no avail, so here's my question Can a unit of wolf scouts in a landspeeder storm have a wolf guard leader with them? as the storm can hold 5 models that's 4 scouts and a wolf guard Was just curious as to who can actually go in it. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rao Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The simplest answer is that the Wolves can't officially use a LS Storm at all, just yet. I'd be Lord Rao's Complete lack of Surprise if they retconned it into the new SW dex, but I guess the jury's out until then (i.e. October). Technically speaking, though, I don't see why any opponent in a non-tourney match should object to you using a minimal Wolf Scouts squad (4) + WG Pack leader in a LS Storm. If anything, they might as well get used to it. LR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2062517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 i believe the storm can only carry models in scout armor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2062521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The simplest answer is that the Wolves can't officially use a LS Storm at all, just yet. LR We can the SW FAQ says we can have land speeders and all their variants and its is a variant. So we can have it but no wolf guard pack leaders cant ride in it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2062550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 The simplest answer is that the Wolves can't officially use a LS Storm at all, just yet. I'd be Lord Rao's Complete lack of Surprise if they retconned it into the new SW dex, but I guess the jury's out until then (i.e. October). Technically speaking, though, I don't see why any opponent in a non-tourney match should object to you using a minimal Wolf Scouts squad (4) + WG Pack leader in a LS Storm. If anything, they might as well get used to it. LR Youd be incorrect- we get al variants of landspeeders, including Storms. And RAW we can use a storm as transport for our wolf scouts- look at their profile, they are simply called "Scouts" and so are under the umbrella of models who can use it. Of course, if your opponents going to be so technical as to try and tell you that you cant use a LSS for your wolf scouts, show him the above and then remind him that the seargent in C:SM isnt a scout... hes a scout seargent- so only half a combat squad can fit :D. Of course, this is only for dealing with uptight rules-lawyers, for most people the FAQ and some common sense should be sufficient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2062781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wolves can do whatever they want with the LSS, WG or no WG, and again if your opponent says your scouts aren't scouts...tell him to relocate his lawyer self to playing in traffic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wolves can do whatever they want with the LSS, WG or no WG, and again if your opponent says your scouts aren't scouts...tell him to relocate his lawyer self to playing in traffic. :D :lol: :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well... sadly, I do have to agree with the interpretation of no WG in a LSS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well... sadly, I do have to agree with the interpretation of no WG in a LSS. I know you and i have disagreed on this one before, i still say he's allowed because he becomes an upgrade :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Can i put my 2 penneth in? LSS background says scout armour only, in the dex it says scouts only.. so whilst your scouts can ride (which is cool as thier better than Ultra scouts... though you didnt hear that from me) any PA model cannot regardless of upgrade or IC etc. Gc08 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pils Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well it says "Scouts only" in the description, it doesn't say models in scout armour. That could be taken in two ways, Scout armour only or units of Scouts only, the second of the two making it posible to have the WG as he is a member of the Wolf Scout pack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Wolf Gaurd Pack Leaders are NOT scouts.... hes a member of the pack, but he is still not a scout- hes a wolfgaurd. 99% of the time that wont matter- here it does. Kind of like.... a WGPL can deploy with his squad in a rhino, but NOT if hes wearing TDA. Well... sadly, I do have to agree with the interpretation of no WG in a LSS. I know you and i have disagreed on this one before, i still say he's allowed because he becomes an upgrade :ph34r: Except hes not... hes an attached character from another FOC choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Grey Mage is right, he's not an upgrade. If he was an upgrade he would be replacing a scout already in the unit, he however does not he is ADDED to the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Except hes not... hes an attached character from another FOC choice. And there it is. The WGL is, unfortunately, attached to lead the Scouts, but isn't himself a Scout (although he fortunately does get to infiltrate or OBEL with them, based on seperate rules that specify this). V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Im just thankful the FAQ covered hes considered one KP along with the squad... though I can see that having perhaps led to this confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 The Spacemarine codex is very clear about this. Only models in Scout armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2063935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 The Spacemarine codex is very clear about this. Only models in Scout armour. All it says is scouts, not scout armor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 i really don't think it matters if he comes from a seperate FOC choice, upgrade or no upgrade, he is still considered a scout..at least the way that i interperate and the group i play with does, BUT none of this matters in a few months anyways ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 On joining the pack the WGPL must become a scout or they would be unable to infiltrate, move through cover, enter from the enemy base edge etc without leaving him behind. So he must be able to join them in the LS Storm - simples Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Well it actually says in the rules that the WGPL may do this with the scout unit specifically...not that he becomes a scout. This is the problem with how me and GM are disagreeing on the rules, but again every single person has a different way of viewing something they read, at least the discussion helps bring it into better perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bareserker Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I would like to make an observation. WGL is a rank, space wolves are soldiers . From my experience as a soldier working with different units , isnt it likely that a WGL attached to scouts would wear scout armour ! If Wolves are as great as we ALL know they are, would a combat veteran/commander attached to a covert ops group be stomping around in full power armour...... I think not my Leibschuns ! Our scouts are the best in the whole 40k universe, they would not be that dumb! GOD bless .................... V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I would like to make an observation. WGL is a rank, space wolves are soldiers . From my experience as a soldier working with different units , isnt it likely that a WGL attached to scouts would wear scout armour ! If Wolves are as great as we ALL know they are, would a combat veteran/commander attached to a covert ops group be stomping around in full power armour...... I think not my Leibschuns ! Our scouts are the best in the whole 40k universe, they would not be that dumb! GOD bless .................... V rules are pretty clear on this one, the wolf guard comes with PA hence his 3+save if he would wear scout armor he would have a 4+ save... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bareserker Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Maybe he has a better quality scout armour ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Maybe he has a better quality scout armour ! The thing is, if it were not for the fact that the profile for Wolf Scouts said "Scouts" we techincally couldnt get them in the storm at all- RAW. As they are not "Scouts" but "Wolf Scouts". A WGPL is not a scout, not even a wolf scout, he is a "Wolf Gaurd". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174457-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-2064595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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