Lednera Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I was wondering can a 10 man terminator squad ave a cyclone launcher and assault cannon equipped to the same model? Also I was wondering how to get 6 Land Raiders in a list in 5th Edition SM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I do not believe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 How if in any way or form can I get 6 land raiders into a list in 5th edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 How if in any way or form can I get 6 land raiders into a list in 5th edition? Play Chaos: 3 as heavy support, 3 as dedicated transports on elites Play Black Templar: 6 as dedicated transports on troops, 3 as heavy support. Maybe even more as dedicated transports on elites and HQ I think vanilla marines can only get 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackbar Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Inquisitor as an ally also gets one as a dedicated transport (though not grey knights for some reason, even though they have land raiders) You could, IIRC, run one Tac Squad as an allied BT Crusader squad and I think take an LR as a dedicated transport... maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Inquisitor as an ally also gets one as a dedicated transport (though not grey knights for some reason, even though they have land raiders) You could, IIRC, run one Tac Squad as an allied BT Crusader squad and I think take an LR as a dedicated transport... maybe? BT squads cant be allied into C:SM forces.... sorry. As for your first question- no. Because it says that a given terminator may only choose one of the three heavy weapon options in the unit entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 ok I got an odd question for you guys, I am thinking of playing Deathwing in a large game, I was wondering can I have Inquisitors or Inquisitor Lord as allies and be legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trougedoor122 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 if its apocalypse, then yes you can ally anything, if it's just a large normal game, then no you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 if its apocalypse, then yes you can ally anything, if it's just a large normal game, then no you can't. Why not? C:WH and C:DH doesnt say anything about it... as long as he doesnt try to get any IG or SoB in there he should be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 um actually you are all wrong yes in a 10 man squad 1 guy can have both weapons it's just not a clever idea as 1 failed svae and you lose both your weapons on the 6 Raiders you would have to ally with DH or WH to get the 6th as only 1 type of each terminator squad can take a dedicated transport hope that helps Athiair :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan............. Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 you could do it, but you would need two different sm armies with a hq and two troops in each army, then you would have six heavy choices and 4 hq choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 um actually you are all wrong yes in a 10 man squad 1 guy can have both weaponsit's just not a clever idea as 1 failed svae and you lose both your weapons on the 6 Raiders you would have to ally with DH or WH to get the 6th as only 1 type of each terminator squad can take a dedicated transport hope that helps Athiair :D No... your wrong- and I quote: Pg 136, CSM:For every five models in the squad, one Terminator may choose one of the following options: Emphasis mine. A given terminator can only choose one option... that is all. you could do it, but you would need two different sm armies with a hq and two troops in each army, then you would have six heavy choices and 4 hq choices. Why? He plays an Deathwing force... allies in the Inquisitors... wheres the other SM army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamb1t Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 slightly different question... can u have a Cyclon launcher on a terminator Assult marine with twin lightning claws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 slightly different question... can u have a Cyclon launcher on a terminator Assult marine with twin lightning claws? No. (unless you are playing Dark Angels.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamb1t Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 cheers for that.... shame cos i bought that package lol... nevermind. I luv me Terminators... might think of starting a DA deathwing....hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mughi3 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'll adress the land raider issue by codex- C: DH each inquisitor and inquisitor lord can select a land raider as a dedicated transport in addition they can select 3 from The heavy support slots. for a grad total of 8 (if you have a largeenough points game). A single DH inquisitor or inquisitor lord may be selected with a land raider dedicated transport as an ally for an imperial force not from theparent DH list.-IG, WH, SMs etc.. C: SM Space marines can take 3 LRs as heavy support options as well as a single dedicated transport for each type of terminator unit.( assault or shooty). for a total of 5. C: BT The black templar can take a LR(usually crusader) as a dedicated transport for every single troop slot and heavies.......so up to 9 at least. C: DA This is a bit of a change, back when DW was it's own stand alone army it had the option of taking LRs as transports but the new dex changed the rules and the fluff and they can only fill the 3 heavy slots now. If your group is using FW units the variant LR pattern prometheus can be taken as a tranpsort for terminator squads, command squads and honor guards for all marine armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 That is a good summary mughi3. However, looking at C:BT right now it would appear that in addition to the 3 heavy support slots and the 6 troop slots (as a dedicated transport), the Black Templars can also take a further 5 Land Raider Crusaders. This is through them being a dedicated transport for their Command Squads (standard or Terminator) (for +2 LRCs), and also as a transport for their Terminator Squads in the Elites section, for +3 LRCs. So in total a Black Templar army under a standard force organisation chart can field 14 Land Raiders, 11 of which must be the Crusader pattern. Quite scary, although that would have to such a big game you might as well be playing Apocalypse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 2000 Points (suggested for 2500+ though) 3 Elites: 3 Chaos Terminators+Land Raider ++DELETED POINTS COSTS++ 3 Heavy Support: 3 Land Raiders = ++DELETED POINTS COSTS++ 1590+whatever HQ and troops you want. Other lists for 6 LR's bend to 2500 minimum due to extra terminators, 3000 if you want a trustworthy supply of scoring models, black templars are perhaps the closer if not better. (I dont have the BT codex on me) Chaos/BT is your best bet for smaller games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaeus Marius Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 In the new C:SM you can only have one of each type of Terminator squad? Could you not field all 3 elite slots with Termie squads, all with LR dedicated transports, then take 3 more LR as the heavy support choices? That would be a total of 6. I play DA so I'm not too sure what the new SM dex says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 In the new C:SM you can only have one of each type of Terminator squad? Could you not field all 3 elite slots with Termie squads, all with LR dedicated transports, then take 3 more LR as the heavy support choices? That would be a total of 6. I play DA so I'm not too sure what the new SM dex says. No. You can have 3 terminar squads, but only one of each type can have a dedicated transport in the new marine dex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 We covered quite a bit of ground in this thread regarding Land Raider Spam: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=172388 In Post# 21, I listed each army with their max number of LR's at the lowest possible army points total in one FOC and no allies (sorry, I don't have the Dark Angles codex, so while they are missing from the list, I guess they only get 3 LR's so its a moot point). In summery, DH could have 7 LR's (lowest cost per LR), CSM could have 6, WH could have 4, BT could have 14 (highest count), BA could have 3 (cheapest army), SM could have 5, and SW could have 8 (highest cost per LR). If you add in DH or WH allies to any of the lists they can legally ally with, the numbers are as such: BT = 15 (+1 HQ w/ dedicated LR) BA/DA = 6 (+1 HQ, +2 Elite, ea. w/ dedicated LR) SM = 7 (+1 HQ, +1 Elite, ea. w/ dedicated LR) SW = due to their weirld HQ rules, I'm not sure if you can ally in an HQ unit. If so, then 11; if not, then 10 SJ *edited for spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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