Grand Master Tyrak Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 in terms of the fluff aspect I don't see why it's so hard to accept. Pretty much anything can happen in 40k. Oh, it's not that it can't happen. It's just that the last time someone got too much power we ended up with the Age of Apostasy. Or the Assassination Wars. In theory, it can happen, but in practice no-one will allow it because civil war will inevitably ensue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I think there are plenty of not only valid but plausible reasons...what if an inquisitor's intervention saves a forge world from a daemonic incursion? That's pretty demeaning towards the AdMech. All the Skitarii and the Titan Legion couldn't stop the incursion, but a lone Inquisitor rolls up and saves the day just like that? Actually Tyrak it has happened. Re-read the back story of Inquisitor Lord Coteaz. Though despite his saving the forgworld all he got was a "crummy" psychic Psyber Eagle. (Can "crummy" even be used to describe something that awesome?) And I can fully answer the question of "Why?" an =I= would have some form of Superheavy or even a Titan at his call. FEAR, pure unadulterated fear. Consider it, many =I= find a way to inspire fear in everyone who sees or hears of them. =I= Lord Coteaz has his Hourglass {Daemonhunters Codex}, =I= Heldane looks like a friggin horse{see Eisenhorn or Guns of Tanith}, and =I= Eisenhorn has a poker face to make a demon cry{again see Eisenhorn}. Its not too inconceivable for an =I= to use a "pet" titan to scare the piss out of any heretic who happens to find out he's coming their way. Well that answers the "Why?" as for the "How?" well I'll let the munitorum figure that one out. And just for note, an =I= resources are almost limitless. In the Codex it states that =I= Coteaz once had a retinue that spanned a whole sector. I can't remember the exact number but wasn't it something like 100+ highly paid operatives? I'm not saying its feasible money-wise I'm just saying keep that in thought. =]D[= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 And just for note, an =I= resources are almost limitless. thats not true. If a INQ would claim a titan [and he would also would need a crew for that and a princeps , as no one else can pilot those ] , the ad mech would soon know about it. and they would stop sending fuel and amunition to the imperial forces in that sector[as there are few holier things then a titan for them]. If the inq would try to take teh gear/fuel/technicians by force , he faces the ad mech armies and even if he actually subdues a forge world[that will have legions of troops , maybe even a titan legion too] , the word about it gets to mars... And the lord of mars goes to "talk" with the high lords about it and the inq end up dead faster then he can think about it . and that only happens , if non of the other inq that work in his sector go after him before he actually tries something that stupid . If he just finds a titan on board of a transport ship [more then a few were lost in the warp] or on a planet [golden age or heresy times] . he still needs a princeps to make it work . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 ***edited overlong message about the nature of the =I= and the 40k universe*** Cool model! Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 And I can fully answer the question of "Why?" an =I= would have some form of Superheavy or even a Titan at his call. FEAR, pure unadulterated fear. My Exterminatus is bigger than your pet Titan. And the citizens are still more frightened of the torture chamber. :tu: Actually Tyrak it has happened. Re-read the back story of Inquisitor Lord Coteaz. Yup - he clobbered those daemon-engineers good. We're not talking about an invasion though - it's a case of warp-tainted tech-heresy. It does clear up a few issues about jurisdiction and AdMech independence though. And just for note, an =I= resources are almost limitless. No, their authority is limitless. Their resources are severely hampered by logistics. That's why requisition is such a good trick - someone else can take care of the paperwork. ***edited overlong message about the nature of the =I= and the 40k universe*** Hehe, us debaters seem to have missed the OP's point. Still, if they didn't want discussion, they should have posted it in the PC&A forums. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Everyone seems to forget that there is an Inquisitorial Titan Legion, the Legio Ordo Sinister, which means that there can be other Inquisitor related Legions, demi-Legions, or individual Titans in the 40k universe. We know that there is at least one Titan Legion run by psykers, who field "Psi-Titans". Why anyone would throw out a cool idea simply because they think it's not supported in fluff is beyond me, as GW has provided ample proof that virtually anything goes as long as it looks cool or has a vaguly believable backstory. Anyone remember the Necromunda character mini Mad Donna? She looking like a strung out valley girl with a chainsword and a laspistol, and had a special ability call "Psycho Bitch" where she would keep attacking a target even after the model was down and out of the game. GW does things because they think it's cool, and they encourage others to do the same. The Inquisitorial Warhound above is an example of something that is cool enough to have a place in 40k. 'Nuff said. SJ *edited for spelling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 You sir, have put in better words than mine my previous edited text! :rolleyes: Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2066919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Everyone seems to forget that there is an Inquisitorial Titan Legion, the Legio Ordo SinisterAs far as I can tell, the Legio Ordo Sinister is not an Inquisitorial Titan Legion - it is said that it 'often works in conjunction with the Adeptus Arbites, the Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy', but while it does work closely with those organisations it's not a part of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2067119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Grrrr double post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2067301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 An Inquisitor can sign the death warrant on a world for someone simply serving his coco puffs with skim milk instead of 2%. Why is it unfluffy for an Inquisitor point at a Warhound Titan and saying "Mine" Awseome thats in my siggy from now on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2067303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 The titan may have been acquired through more subtle means. Things go missing all the time. Recently a crusade of Black Templars disappeared after working with the Dark Angels... A less morally upstanding Inquisitor witnessed a specific titan in action and wanted one for his personal arsenal. He had already built up a small army from various requisitioned PDFs, units thought lost from all over the galaxy, now under his personal employ, as well as his Storm Troopers. Maybe the transporter got lost in the warp... A few princeps taken from scattered locations, mind scrubbed... If such individuals have the potential to fall to Chaos, they could fall under the employ of a charismatic Inquisitor. To help with maintenance costs, the titan will spend most of it's time in storage, whilst the Inquisitor goes about the usual. But at some point a call to arms may be made. Instead of sitting at the back, watching, this Inquisitor can now take a front seat and make sure the job is done properly. Witnesses to the incursion are scrubbed as usual, a few resources requisitioned from scattered locations, the administratum can never keep track of everything... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2067565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 i like the mine! explenation remeber inquisitors can largely do anything they want and who really cares if 2 inquisitors try to kill each other im sure that happens quite alot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2067586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Templarius Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Wow at the fluff lockdown, I'd best be careful with what I write. It's ok for an Inquisitor Lord to call upon a GK Brother Captain to help him cut the heart out of a planetwide siege, right? Model still looks awesome, but the conversation in here is interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narthecium Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Inquisitors are so great because they're like "While I know the rules say I must follow this particular edict, I'm now overwriting that. ALL UR TITANS ARE BELONG TO US" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrasymacus Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The Titan Houses are separate from the Mechanicum, though they get along like two peas in a pod. No Titan house would approve of having their colours and heraldry erased and replaced with =I= imagery. That's a desecration. The princep of that Titan could only be a traitor. Furthermore, the machine spirit within the Titan would be more than a little pissed. Titans, Paladins and even Super Heavies can only remain functional under the care and diligence of a Mechanicum corps. These priests and acolytes are loyal to Mars first. So it's not as simple as making off with a 'forgotten' Titan. They do keep track of those things. The Astartes used to have their own Titans, pre heresy, and pre Inquisition. (older fluff) Inquisitorial Titan? No. Imperial Guardsmen in a Drednought? No. Female Space Marine? No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 yeah but no one in their right mind is gonna argue with someone who can burn your world to ash on a whim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 daboarder Posted Today, 08:08 AM yeah but no one in their right mind is gonna argue with someone who can burn your world to ash on a whim Yup. The problem comes when they can all burn your world to ash on a whim (the requesting Inquisitor, the other Inquisitors keeping an eye on him, and the Mechanicus who have custody of the Exterminatus technology). What do you do then? It's ok for an Inquisitor Lord to call upon a GK Brother Captain to help him cut the heart out of a planetwide siege, right? It should be - the Chambers Militant are the only organisations the Inquisition directly controls. If you find he can't, I suspect the Brother-Captain has a Carta Extremis up his sleeve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Not fluffy but by the Emperor that looks awesome. Is it really worth it just to have some pretty bling for a year or two? I don't know, that Titan is convincing me that it is... resist... abuse... of power... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 My word thats a b-e-a-u-tifull piece of work! Corpus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I think there are plenty of not only valid but plausible reasons...what if an inquisitor's intervention saves a forge world from a daemonic incursion? That's pretty demeaning towards the AdMech. All the Skitarii and the Titan Legion couldn't stop the incursion, but a lone Inquisitor rolls up and saves the day just like that? Thats pretty demeaning towards the Inquisition - who says he came alone? Inquisitor Horst didn't come to Armageddon alone, he came at the head of a massive army that he had raised on Golgotha for that express purpose. I can easily see an Inquisitor bringing an army to a beleaguered Forge World, then having the Forge World send some titans with his army when he moves on to another world - either out of gratitude, or to make it easier to get him to come back if the problem resurfaces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 think there are plenty of not only valid but plausible reasons...what if an inquisitor's intervention saves a forge world from a daemonic incursion? That's pretty demeaning towards the AdMech. All the Skitarii and the Titan Legion couldn't stop the incursion, but a lone Inquisitor rolls up and saves the day just like that? Thats pretty demeaning towards the Inquisition - who says he came alone? Inquisitor Horst didn't come to Armageddon alone, he came at the head of a massive army that he had raised on Golgotha for that express purpose. I can easily see an Inquisitor bringing an army to a beleaguered Forge World, then having the Forge World send some titans with his army when he moves on to another world - either out of gratitude, or to make it easier to get him to come back if the problem resurfaces. Given that personal armies are likely to be frowned on, especially since Inquisitors are investigators rather than grand commanders, I interpreted the original statement to mean he came with no more than standard Inquisitorial resources. Otherwise it's not just him - it's him and the Administratum (IG, IN), or it's him and the Astartes. It's not the norm for Inquisitors to run around with armies in tow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Looking at that Titan again, I realize that I can't tell whether the lettering on its right leg and the wing design on its head were sculpted on, or simply painted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2069949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 It's not the norm for Inquisitors to run around with armies in tow.Where do IST come from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2070137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narthecium Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Okay so...say...the radical Inquisitors (the ones who don't mind using daemonhosts, etc.) talking to some of the Mechanicus higher ups and negotiating something like "I'll give you all this alien tech on this world I just liberated from xyz xenos scum rather than nuking it, and I'll look the other way while you study it, in exchange for unlimited use of one of your titans....." If the lure was big enough (and it'd HAVE to be big!!!) I think someone high up at the Mech wouldn't mind doing it. They've already proven they're okay with heresy so long as the price is right, what's a long term loan of one of their titans matter when it's likely that even with rejuvenat treatements, the Inquisitor borrowing it will die long before it (or the guys who loaned it out) do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2070149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 DinoDoc Posted Today, 10:26 PM It's not the norm for Inquisitors to run around with armies in tow. Where do IST come from? I suspect, based on Inquisitor-General Neve's role in Eisenhorn, that there are Inquisitors who are posted to the various Inquisition outposts and fortresses on a permanent basis. They then get charge of all the ISTs, defences and ships based there, but they can't leave. They can only loan them out to other Inquisitors, rather like a librarian. Mostly conjecture based on Neve's role, but to my mind it makes enforcing the separation of powers so much easier. Inquisitors don't get the chance to vanish with private armies, and those Inquisitors who do get the resources can't run off with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174596-inquisitional-titan/page/2/#findComment-2070200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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