rednekkboss Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 If I might wade in here. No one here is talking about rejecting people out of hand, or being unkind or cruel to any new board members. Nor do we feel that playing Space Wolves is some kind of "Gentlemen's club" that only certain people can join. However, many of us here have played Wolves for many years now, in spite of very limited support from GW. As a result, a camaraderie has built up here and for some of us that's taken literally years to achieve. We're here because we like all the aspects of the army, not just the rules. What we are perhaps concerned about is that come the new Codex that will be eliminated by people have no real interest in the fluff or modelling side of things and only want the "1337 pwnage list for pwning n00bs" - as some here will remember, 2nd Edition Wolves could be accurately described as "Cheese and Beard in Model form." Now, maybe us Long Fangs are over reacting, but the Fang is generally a pretty laid back place and that's the way we like it. We don't do Power Gaming, and we have very little time for those who do. And we don't really want to be associated with power gaming either. That's all. Obviously, it was not my intention to raise hackles. But speaking as someone who hasn't been on here for years (but has played for years), I was just trying to be a bit objective about what I was seeing. Though the second half of your post does clarify it for me quite well....and I couldn't agree more. Am I an old fart to say that I think though tournaments have helped the hobby grow, they seem to attract the aforementioned powergamers like crows to a corpse? I'm not saying all tournament players are that way, but there is definitely a group of gamers these days that are focused more on winning than absorbing the whole package (modeling,painting,the backstory/fluff)... and it definitely can ruin a "relaxing" night at the local game store. I'm sure that happens everywhere. Its the downside to the tournament culture, although it has helped give the hobby alot of exposure, then GW makes money, then they make more models, etc,etc. The model range -in size and quality- is just vast compared to what it was in 1991 when I started this hobby and I'm pretty excited to see what's to come. Now, if I could just find a way to convert and paint at a pace faster than a sleepy turtle, I'd be in good shape. Looking forward to seeing what you all come up with when we finally get our new book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2067895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppella Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I'll concede the fact that tournaments have helped the Warhammer scene grow. Although, perhaps, not in a healthy way. I like tournaments that are more than just winning. Ard Boyz tournaments just make me roll my eyes. You could walk in with a triple dipped army, and possibly win 1st place overall, if it was cheesey enough. That is not promotting the hobby. Thats promoting cheese lists, and win at all cost tricks. I'd rather play a normal GW tournament, the ones with comp score, painting score, SPORTSMENSHIP score, and Generalship. I'd rather make friends at a tournament, than build the desire to slap someone with an old pewter dreadnaught in a sock. These Ard boyz tournaments don't set a good example for new gamers either. Which is prolly the biggest compliant of mine. I heard a story at my local game club, where a 12yr old told the store manager that all tournaments held there should follow the Ard boyz rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2067933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Don't get me wrong - Tournament play has it's place and I enjoy it. But I also enjoy being able to discuss the more eccentric lists, the ones built for fluff rather than win-at-all-costs attitudes. I don't want to see every discussion boil down to "take X because you'll win." Also, the powergaming tends to be followed by rules lawyering. If I want these sorts of discussions (and sometimes I do) I tend to go to WarSeer or Dakka. I don't know, it's just the Fang has had a "special" atmosphere these past few years - I for one don't want to lose it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2067979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmr Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I'am a new player of space wolves . I did't started them because a friend of mine got them so i didn't want to play the same army (well he has also IG and GK ). Than he decided to sold his army (they were unpainted and he used very few time -1 or 2 i think-) and i finally bought them! Well ,i understand who is upset for the big number of new players but if they want only the newest codex they will give up soon otherwise they will be true wolves ! ps: i've always collected Thor comics , played Get of Fenris Aurhon on Werewolf and berserk on dark age of camelot , so ,i think ,it was just a question of time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2067987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 woof Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Well any one brave enough to give the canis helix a go is a wolf-brother in my eyes and I'll treat them as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howling Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Greetings Everyone and may the Allfather be with you! I am new to this forum and I joined because I hope for many interesting discussions and information about the new comming Codex and the fluff of the Space Wolves and Warhammer all together.... I've player Space Wolves for many years, then had about 4 years break while playing an ordinary space marine and imperial army, and now with the new codex comming decided that it's time to honour my roots once more and join the Bloody Hunt again.... Looking forward to many interesting discussions and to see more of the very interesting creations I've seen here so far... Now....where's the feasting hall??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keercrevlis Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hey Bros, I agree that we are going to get the "New Codex Mega gamer Crowd" and that is life. We will as always have to weather the storm just like the ork players and the Guard players. I think it's funny that there are a couple hundred people in my local gaming club and when the Ork dex came out tons of people were playing Orks, now you hardly see anyone playing them, only the diehard players are playing anymore. So we will probably have to put up with this till about Jan-Feb. possibly a little longer. But hey I like that because about the time I do my taxes and get them back I can get extra models on the cheap. I know a gamer that was selling completed models ready to play for models on the sprue so he could start a new army. Granted I love painting and converting my own but if you want to try a new army and not for sure how your going to like it that saves you the hassle of building an army that you might not like. Also as long as people do not come to the FANG and be a**holes we will be fine. And if they do we will show them the way to the door. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tuditanus Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Also as long as people do not come to the FANG and be a**holes we will be fine. And if they do we will show them the way to the door. Eh, be careful with that.... I tried to help Jonas to the door and apparently it was a window.. Poor chap is rather disgruntled at me now. I agree... What comes will come, along with who. It's not our job to go white in the bear before our time. Help those who ask in the wyas they ask and prove our mettle by not letting our irritations get the better of us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaldnir Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 honestly if you think that this forum is unfriendly,go visit another random gaming forum then compare the two. Honestly the older wolves are extremely helpful without the various army building tips,modeling and painting how to i don't think that someone new to the hobby like myself could manage to do much of anything worth mentioning in these hallowed halls. (not that i have done anything worth mentioning here) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 It's not the money factor. It's how many points I want to work with at a time. I'll start with the suggested 750, and build blocks of 750 on top of it. Ah well in that case have you seen our snazzy 750 Modular Wolf Lists thread? Might give you some ideas. ;) Now....where's the feasting hall??? Just follow your nose of course, we are Space Wolves after all, it would be a shame not to put our unique traits to good use. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2068314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I would like to agree with the original post, their will be new 'pups' wanting to play and it is here that they can extend their knowelage of the wolves... so I hope that when if ever they make a battle report and make a mistake like i did... that you old gits (long fangs) don't jump on them like u did me, when I posted my BR against the 'thousand sons'. never have I been made to feel so cheap by being call 'dishonerable' just because I made a 'noob' mistake by not informing them of the blood fude rule... I have had more support and acceptance as a noob from other chapters (DA/BT) than I have had from some of you... 3 weeks ago i engaged 'chaos' and grimnar and his wolf gard destoryed Khern and his berserkers, it started in round 2 and was finished by round 3. an epic battle to be sung in the fang and toasted... and share with my brothers. I did not post that BR just incase I did something wrong and I got jumped upon... thx for making me feel welcome to the fang... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I would like to agree with the original post, their will be new 'pups' wanting to play and it is here that they can extend their knowelage of the wolves... so I hope that when if ever they make a battle report and make a mistake like i did... that you old gits (long fangs) don't jump on them like u did me, when I posted my BR against the 'thousand sons'. never have I been made to feel so cheap by being call 'dishonerable' just because I made a 'noob' mistake by not informing them of the blood fude rule... I have had more support and acceptance as a noob from other chapters (DA/BT) than I have had from some of you... 3 weeks ago i engaged 'chaos' and grimnar and his wolf gard destoryed Khern and his berserkers, it started in round 2 and was finished by round 3. an epic battle to be sung in the fang and toasted... and share with my brothers. I did not post that BR just incase I did something wrong and I got jumped upon... thx for making me feel welcome to the fang... I'm sorry brother that you're welcome was not what you were expecting. If I was one of those wolves that jumped on you I offer my humblest apologies and a flagon of ale as a proper form of apology. 'Tis never my intent to make a wolf-brother feel unwelcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 brother wolfheart no need to apolagise i have thick skin but just to read some replies suggests should make you wounder... I'm new and know that but i started playing this game on the amiga with space hulk, then a few years later i saw it on the PS1 and played it again, then in 2006 i saw DoW and played it again, in jan i started to learn and play this game and paint my own models, I do this for fun same as many and to be chastised/rediculed is not acceptable regardless of their experiance. i will defend any 'noob' from now on who i see being 'not help' by some of our breatheran... this is my battle table with all models painted by me just to show 'noobs' that it can be done when learning to paint and understanding the dex. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/table4.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/table2.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/command1.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff123/emphand1/dreads1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I do this for fun same as many and to be chastised/rediculed is not acceptable regardless of their experiance. i will defend any 'noob' from now on who i see being 'not help' by some of our breatheran... this is my battle table with all models painted by me just to show 'noobs' that it can be done when learning to paint and understanding the dex. I don't recall the incident but I can't remember seeing anyone outright ridiculed in the Fang. Chastisement on the other hand is sometimes warranted, for instance you've been chastised multiple times for your problems with grammar and spelling in your posts as well as your use of "leet" speak which is not a generally acceptable form of communication on most forums. If that weren't enough I see multiple instances of spam and/or double posting not to even begin talking about posting things in the relevant forums. Yet you have not improved your quality of posting, I find that immensely disappointing. Not to mention that it does not look favorably when you are attempting to complain about a cold welcome by my brethren and I when you haven't taken the time to use the spell check so thoughtfully provided by the forum for your convenience. The Fang will never turn away Blood Claws however there is something to be said for a first impression, if you are trying to come off respectfully, intelligently and coherently then you are going to get a far better and more useful response than typing as though this is a chat room. After all we do this for fun too, and it's just plain ungrateful to demand people take the time to help you out when your not doing the courtesy of putting time into your own questions and posts. After all it's not easy to answer anyone's questions thoroughly and be helpful when it is unclear what the person is trying to say in the first place. So to sum up I'm not trying to be crass or mean, if you feel your welcome to the Fang was cold, I apologize. But keep in mind "you reap what you sow." Perhaps in future you should look at why you got a cold response rather than solely blaming those who responded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 ah i'll stop but that statement says enought... (cant us the you/your speek terms). I speak/read/wright 5 talen so my english is not so good thats why i in the uk to improve it. i've had more help from the guys in the DA forum than here. as to myself being impolite i think not all ive done is ask simple questions in 'laymens' brother vash. read the original first post, i've not posted here for some time weeks even so how could i offend anyone. finished now i am, nothing more to post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I remember the batrep your talking about. Seemed to me that the lads were just trying to make you understand, and you did, but your english (no offence) really kind of confused 'em, so they thought you were being a dunce. My first language is english, but Im learning russian and latin at the same time so I know the confusion all to well. Let me see if I can find that batrep... Ah! here it is! http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=172281 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I really don't think we need to re-hash all of that again. Let's keep on topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbrother Thrarne Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Ragnar the great, love the walls around your table!! :tu: I wonder how many dice would have avoided sacrifice to the vacuum god if I had put one of those up years ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2069870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warboy Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 hi i'm warboy and i'm a n00b on your forums. this is not to say i'm a n00b to the internet, nor to space wolvery. 15-years since induction to the way of the wolf, returning after a 9 year hiatus... guess that makes me a dreadnought or something? avid collector/painter and converter since like age 5 (don't ask for pics of what my painting was like when i was 5, they look as bad as you think.) currently in possession of a 5099 point space wolves army, although my army list is probably full of errors and "LOL WUT". got LOTS of "vintage" stuff, the old metal blood claws/grey hunters and long fangs, a classic dome-turreted predator AND predator annihilator, the old razorback with the lascannon/twin plasma turret etc. i think i like converting stuffs to look "wolfy" and painting more than i actually like playing, but then again i haven't played since second edition. i think we spent more time arguing rules and trying to exploit stupid stuff back then, like the space elf player with the forgeworld falcon anti-grav tank, that he fielded in EVERY GAME, that just sat behind a hill for four turns and made pop-up attacks and annihilated anything you tried to throw at him. but i digress... rawr i am a wolf, grr grr, hoooowl, let's drink some ale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2073004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Welcome back Warboy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2073206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 well greetings brothers. I speak as a venerable battle brother who has fought from the days of the mighty cyclone, assault cannon of doom times...ahh i remember them fondly... anyway. I have taught many young pups in my life...(worked at our GW store here till they closed it).... so i know how stuck up some of them can be..need to be longer in the tooth i say about some, but other wise good brothers. I know i am know to this forum but have been playing for many years. just been a lurker for a long time, and with the new dex coming i figured what better time to return my great company to the fang and rejoice with my brothers. i do feel welcome you all seem like great people and even better wolf lords indeed. well untill the wolftime..good hunting and russ be with you. and see you around the fang RedMoon out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2078126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Glad you have spoken up and claimed your place here Redmoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2079045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant7 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have been involved with this hobby since about '92. I remember walking into a game shop in the mall and checking out 40k. Somewhere around that time I saw a space wolf baxed army for sale. I couldn't afford it at the time and someone gave me a ton of vanilla marines. I built them to play but I bought the SW codex and loved it. At the time though I didn't have much money and it was just easier to play with what I had. I was out of the hobby for several years, besides forum lurking that is. But I have been back in since 5th edition. I didn't know how many of the armies played though so I started with Orks, they were fun but not for me. Next I went to CSM, again fun but I am not really into the mutations and evil side of things. I tried to play armies that weren't hugely popular at my LGS but the other day I dug out my old Space Wolf codex, the one with the battle report in it. ( I don't know which edition). But it brought back those memories of the boxed army and how much I loved the fluff and so here I am. Call me a bandwagon jumper but after reading through the old codex I remembered how much I enjoy the fluff of an army. i am currently trying to work out a great company, to match the fluff in the codex and what's in my head, with the actual gameplay of the army being secondary. To me that is a great indicator that you have found the right army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2079051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Doesn't sound like a bandwagon jumper. Sounds like a Space Wolf that heard his beast calling his name. *hands ant7 and ale* Welcome to the Fang Brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174639-welcoming-new-wolves/page/3/#findComment-2079108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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