Huntzy Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Though many of the primarch went on to be great fighters is it possible that the emperor created two administartive primarchs to become the high lords of terra just my stupid idea lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 A line in Macanicum between Dorn and Malcdor incates that both the primarchs and their legion are no more but that they where indeed warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2064748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgard Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Another thing to keep in mind, the fluff implicitly hints at all Primarchs possessing sufficient intellect and disposition to grasp the administrative concepts and to be effective administrators outside of their military roles. With the examples of Fulgrim (who rose to power on Chemos solely through his administrative skills, and who did not seem to be involved in any warfare until after his discovery by the Emperor) and Guilliman (who seems to have gained much fame through his efficient administration of Macragge, not only through his conquests), I would say that almost any Primarch had the capacity to be an extremely efficient administrator as well as a warrior, switching between two roles effortlessly as the situation demanded. Naturally, some Primarchs appeared to be far worse at it than the others, but it can also be attributed to their specific upbringing and environment. Someone like Curze or Corax could have been a great administrator if placed on a world where administrative skills were a path to power, or if given privileged upbringing with the emphasis on the art of governance. The development of different skills by different Primarchs, in my opinion, had more to do with where they landed than with their innate potential, which was very significant indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2064807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Zaku Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 A Primarch with a desk job? That just made "I'm gonna have to ask you to come in on Saturday," that much funnier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2065023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Masariel Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 "..they are lost to us.." that's what malcador says in mechanicum... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2065318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Proteus Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm not the first to mention this, but apparently, GW left those two primarchs and their legions as "blank" to create some space for a hobbyist who wants to make up some fluff for them, either in the direction of pro-chaos or pro-imperium. Plus, GW has stated in various locations, that they leave certain bits of fluff free and clear to prompt players to make their own stuff up. -Proteus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2071328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 "..they are lost to us.." that's what malcador says in mechanicum... Did he check the photocopying room? I think one of those Admin-archs fell to chaos and started putting in fake expenses claims. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2074330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morthin Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 (spoiler warning from False Gods) Aye, if you read "False Gods" it says that when Horus Time Travels in the Warp during his "healing" in the Serpent Lodge he is brought to the Emperors Geno-labs. Well there he takes a good look upon himself for example, but the intresting part being that he stops at tank XI, I qoute: "He stopped by the tank with XI stencilled upon it and placed his hand against the smooth steel, feeling the untapped glories that might have lain within, but knowing that they would never come to pass." - False Gods - p.284 Later he smashes his hand at this tank, making it crack. Now if Horus time-travell is something real of just of imagination can be discussed, however Erebus says it is from his imagination, yet like a vision, and nonetheless they do are present. By this accord the XI could aswell be dead, and that is why he his unheard of. Give it a thought ;> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I have been wondering.... (yes I did a search) Are all 20 Primarchs gone or are some still active in the 41st Millennium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Are all 20 Primarchs gone or are some still active in the 41st Millennium? Some are confirmed dead, some (other than the 2 Lost Primarchs) are missing in action. None of those who might be alive and kicking have made themselves known to the Imperium since their disappearance. "..they are lost to us.." that's what malcador says in mechanicum... Did he check the photocopying room? I suspect if you look down the back of the Golden Throne, you'll find two complete Legions along with their Primarchs. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him. but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wolf Lord Kieran Posted Today, 06:14 PM Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him. but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. Oh yes, you're quite right. I think he's only just come back from a long period of banishment in the aftermath of the 1st War for Armageddon though, so he's been off the scene since then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wolf Lord Kieran Posted Today, 06:14 PM Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him. but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. Oh yes, you're quite right. I think he's only just come back from a long period of banishment in the aftermath of the 1st War for Armageddon though, so he's been off the scene since then. which is very true, but thats what happens when you mess with Logan Grimnar... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wolf Lord Kieran Posted Today, 06:14 PM Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him. but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. Oh yes, you're quite right. I think he's only just come back from a long period of banishment in the aftermath of the 1st War for Armageddon though, so he's been off the scene since then. which is very true, but thats what happens when you mess with Logan Grimnar... *Cough* You mean Brother-Captain Aurellian and his 100 GKTs. :) Fair enough, you get the official credit and all (since we don't exist, right?), but we know what really went on there. Still, it's a team effort, hm? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wolf Lord Kieran Posted Today, 06:14 PM Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him. but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. Oh yes, you're quite right. I think he's only just come back from a long period of banishment in the aftermath of the 1st War for Armageddon though, so he's been off the scene since then. which is very true, but thats what happens when you mess with Logan Grimnar... *Cough* You mean Brother-Captain Aurellian and his 100 GKTs. ;) Fair enough, you get the official credit and all (since we don't exist, right?), but we know what really went on there. Still, it's a team effort, hm? ;) you mean where 100 GK terminators stay out of the fight long enough for the Wolves to draw out the forces of evil and let you cherry pick the win??? i mean, GO TEAM IMPERIUM! ;) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2075834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phoenix Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I highly doubt that the missing Primarchs formed the basis for the Administratum of Terra. Spoiler Alert: Though I can't remember all of the references, Collected Visions and Lexicanum both state that it was Malcador the Sigillite (The Emperor's second) that created the Administratum, I also think it was mentioned in one of the Horus heresy books. In addition, the Emperor specifically created the Primarchs to be the Generals of his vast armies, not wasting away behind desks. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2078190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Child-of-the-Emperor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him.but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. WLK Not 100% correct there either WLK :P The Daemon Primarchs are fully involved in the Great Game, and have very little interest in the goings on in the Material Plane or the Imperium anymore. They are fighting for the supremacy of their patron God, and will be doing so for eternity. And any time they do enroach in the Material Galaxy is to either enact revenge of the Imperium or further their Patrons power in the Great Game. See the Chaos Daemons codex for info on the Great Game, if not THIS article is accurate, although lacking in information. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2078545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Not 100% correct there GMT, there is one primarch who has been active (well sorta) since the Heresy, which is Angron. he was labeled as the elader of the first invasion of Armageddon., where the combined might of a planetary PDF, the Emperor alone knows how mnay GUardsman, SPace Wolves and Grey Knights barely defeated him.but other than angry Angron, i cannot think opf any other primarch, loyal or traitor, that has had a role in the last couple thousand years. WLK Not 100% correct there either WLK :) The Daemon Primarchs are fully involved in the Great Game, and have very little interest in the goings on in the Material Plane or the Imperium anymore. They are fighting for the supremacy of their patron God, and will be doing so for eternity. And any time they do enroach in the Material Galaxy is to either enact revenge of the Imperium or further their Patrons power in the Great Game. See the Chaos Daemons codex for info on the Great Game, if not THIS article is accurate, although lacking in information. Didnt know that, but 4th edition was before my time. I just thought they were hiding their heads out of shame and being emo for the last 10,000 years...makes as much sense as this Great Game. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174651-my-missing-primarch-theory/#findComment-2078674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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