Chaos Icon question

[termienation]

Hello, this is a pretty simple question: Termies and the whatnot using an icon for DS all have to be within 6" don't they? for instance, you can't just leave a mm of one of the models bases within 6" of the icon and then deploy the rest in a line going away from the icon, can you? It seems wrong to me, and im pretty sure they all have to be within 6" but im not sure.

 

Any replys are welcome, thanks.

 

T

[Vertebrae]

I'm pretty sure that it's only the first model placed that needs to be within the 6 inches.

[Grey Mage]

The center model, used as the basis for DSing, has to be within 6"- even if only partially.

[Coyote]

... and then deploy the rest in a line going away from the icon, can you?

Don't forget: First you place the first model. Then all others cluster around that model. So, no deploying in a conga line. <_<

[eyescrossed]

... and then deploy the rest in a line going away from the icon, can you?

Don't forget: First you place the first model. Then all others cluster around that model. So, no deploying in a conga line. <_<

Remember though, if you only have 3 models DSing, you do not need them all in B2B contact with each other - you can deploy them in a line.

 

 

EDIT: Also, not really related, but this is a great way to deploy 8 Lesser Daemons and then assault.

[Frosty the Pyro]

... and then deploy the rest in a line going away from the icon, can you?

Don't forget: First you place the first model. Then all others cluster around that model. So, no deploying in a conga line. :D

Remember though, if you only have 3 models DSing, you do not need them all in B2B contact with each other - you can deploy them in a line.

 

 

EDIT: Also, not really related, but this is a great way to deploy 8 Lesser Daemons and then assault.

 

 

Yes but they all must be in BtB with the initial model, so no making a conga line AWAY from the icon.

[avatar8481]

@Frosty: Right, only B2B with the initial model.

 

Reasonable people can disagree about the necessity of the first model to land within 6' though as the wording refers to the UNIT being within 6' not the first model. Consistent with the rules for KFF and others, only a single model need be withing 6' and there's no language that clearly indicates one way or the other it has to be the FIRST model.

[Legatus]

Deep strike works out by initially placing the first model from the deep striking unit, then determine scatter, then placing the rest of the models. Therefor, in order to make use of the Icon and not have the unit scatter, that first model would have to be within Icon range, or else you would have to resolve the scatter before the models that are placed later would allow you to not scatter at all.

[Frosty the Pyro]

@Frosty: Right, only B2B with the initial model.

 

Reasonable people can disagree about the necessity of the first model to land within 6' though as the wording refers to the UNIT being within 6' not the first model. Consistent with the rules for KFF and others, only a single model need be withing 6' and there's no language that clearly indicates one way or the other it has to be the FIRST model.

 

 

The reason the first model has to be within has nothing to do with the becon, it has to do with the order of deapstrikeing. First you place the first model, then check for scater, then place the rest of the models. If the first model is not within range then the unit is not within range when you would roll for your scatter, thus you would have to roll for the scater.

[termienation]

@Frosty: Right, only B2B with the initial model.

 

Reasonable people can disagree about the necessity of the first model to land within 6' though as the wording refers to the UNIT being within 6' not the first model. Consistent with the rules for KFF and others, only a single model need be withing 6' and there's no language that clearly indicates one way or the other it has to be the FIRST model.

 

 

The reason the first model has to be within has nothing to do with the becon, it has to do with the order of deapstrikeing. First you place the first model, then check for scater, then place the rest of the models. If the first model is not within range then the unit is not within range when you would roll for your scatter, thus you would have to roll for the scater.

 

 

So you're not allowed to measure first? Oh... right duh.

 

Thanks for all the replys guys.

 

T

[Legatus]

You are allowed to meadure and intentionally put the first model within 6" of the Icon/Homer/Beacon. But because of how Deep striking is done, that first and central model has to be within range. It is not allowed to just have a model from the third "ring" be just barely within range. Whether the unit will scatter or not is determined after placing the first model. So if that model was not within range (as would be the case of one of the outer ring models was intended to be the only one within range), the unit might potentially scatter. If that model is within range, the unit does not scatter and the rest of the models is placed around that model.

[JAMM]

Would being 1mm in with a locator beacon for a drop pod similarly count as not scattering, or would halve the pod have to be within 6" of the locatoor beacon

[nighthawks]

Would being 1mm in with a locator beacon for a drop pod similarly count as not scattering, or would halve the pod have to be within 6" of the locatoor beacon

 

This post:

It's better to say that measurements are always taken to the edge of a model's base: "within 2 inches of the exit point" means the base edge must be at most 2 inches away after disembarking. Technically, I suppose it would need to be just inside those 2 inches, so if your models on 25-mm bases deploy from a door whose nearest side is 9 inches away from your prospective target, you could not assault because you'd end up short by a hair's breadth. However, you can't really measure that precisely in practice.

 

From THIS topic about disembarkation answers your question nicely. They are both referring to the same measurement mechanic.