stevenr1230 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 i've been using my leman russ exterminator for a while now and its proven a worthwhile tank, definitly worth the effort to build. However i have seen in the 5th edition Guard Codex and their version of the Leman Russ exterminator mounts a different kind of autocannon. What they call the 'exterminator autocannon' has the same strength and AP and the usual autocannon, but has 4 shots instead of 2 (and is twin-linked). What i was wondering was whether it would be legible to use the rules for the new exterminator autocannon with its 4 shots instead of 2. So essentially should i use the rules in the old wolves codex or the new guard for my exterminator? Steve Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Our rules dont say to use the updated stats in the imp. guard codex, they do say to use the updated rules for the space marines. So no, don't use the imp. guard rules. Pretty sure that this was talked about some time ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2068434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Unfortunately we have the Exterminator entry in our codex, so we use that one as it gives says all the weapons/upgrades with their point costs. If it were like the other entries where is says "see codex space marines" but for the IG one it'd be different heh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2068435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I wish we did... wed be more likely to keep it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2068449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I asked this not too long ago, and, as the others have stated, we have to go with the entry in our dex. That would be awesome if we got to use the new stats though! ;) We'll just have to wait for October and see what happens... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2068694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 i've been using my leman russ exterminator for a while now and its proven a worthwhile tank, definitly worth the effort to build. However i have seen in the 5th edition Guard Codex and their version of the Leman Russ exterminator mounts a different kind of autocannon. What they call the 'exterminator autocannon' has the same strength and AP and the usual autocannon, but has 4 shots instead of 2 (and is twin-linked). What i was wondering was whether it would be legible to use the rules for the new exterminator autocannon with its 4 shots instead of 2. So essentially should i use the rules in the old wolves codex or the new guard for my exterminator? Steve Well if the LRE is scraped from the new dex *sadface* at least you can then use the guard version with BS4 and have no complaints in apoc! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2068719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 i've been using my leman russ exterminator for a while now and its proven a worthwhile tank, definitly worth the effort to build. However i have seen in the 5th edition Guard Codex and their version of the Leman Russ exterminator mounts a different kind of autocannon. What they call the 'exterminator autocannon' has the same strength and AP and the usual autocannon, but has 4 shots instead of 2 (and is twin-linked). What i was wondering was whether it would be legible to use the rules for the new exterminator autocannon with its 4 shots instead of 2. So essentially should i use the rules in the old wolves codex or the new guard for my exterminator? Steve Well if the LRE is scraped from the new dex *sadface* at least you can then use the guard version with BS4 and have no complaints in apoc! What about the FW version with the plasma cannon? 56'' range IA Vol2 it gets annoying when u want to/have purchased these models to be told you can't use them.... IA rules arn't that differant from codex rules.. whats the point of buying these models if you can't use them.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Well... you know, you might try talking with your friends and asking them about it first... you know, before you buy it. You might also just really really like the look of a model, and substitute it for another one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar the great Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 brother mage i'll not even bother! from now on i'm not buying anything from FW or GW. dont have a LRE as i do quite nicely with what I have. had this disscussion in the DA forum regarding FW models a helios/wirlwind conversion for a LR. again i refer you to my statment. whats the point of buying these models if you can't use them.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 *Spreads hands* I have talked with my fellow players about a couple of forgeworld units- theyre just fine with me fielding my Nightwing for instance, and are not opposed to my plans of buying a LR Helios- though the ork player prays I wont have the money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 What? Are you friends with the players? FW is just like any codex to me. I don't see how they can keep you from using a legal unit. it's not like it's some vdr for apoc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Its not a GW codex... and Forgeworld is often more concerned with fitting fluff than game balance- all of their rules are optional, all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaldnir Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Ok, just a handful of questions. First, ragnar if you boycott all forgeworld and games workshop products you are gonna miss out on a lot of great miniatures including the brassed etched icons(a pack i can not recommend enough. Great for vehicles and storm shields) just talk to your common players and try to work out a compromise. Next, as for the helios most people i know of will not care if you field fw stuff as long as you return the courtesy. Well i guess they were not questions persay. as a note this is not my attempt to argue just a few observations and a bit of advice from someone wholly unqualified to give it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 If you Boycot GW you can always try Warmachine. Those models aren't that bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 i've been using my leman russ exterminator for a while now and its proven a worthwhile tank, definitly worth the effort to build. However i have seen in the 5th edition Guard Codex and their version of the Leman Russ exterminator mounts a different kind of autocannon. What they call the 'exterminator autocannon' has the same strength and AP and the usual autocannon, but has 4 shots instead of 2 (and is twin-linked). What i was wondering was whether it would be legible to use the rules for the new exterminator autocannon with its 4 shots instead of 2. So essentially should i use the rules in the old wolves codex or the new guard for my exterminator? Steve Well if the LRE is scraped from the new dex *sadface* at least you can then use the guard version with BS4 and have no complaints in apoc! What about the FW version with the plasma cannon? 56'' range IA Vol2 it gets annoying when u want to/have purchased these models to be told you can't use them.... IA rules arn't that differant from codex rules.. whats the point of buying these models if you can't use them.... I take it you mean the Leman Russ Executioner? If so, there is a very good reason you can't use it. It's an Imperial Guard Tank, and we have access to only the Leman Russ Exterminator as written in our Codex. If you mean as part of a Guard Army, then the Executioner and Exterminator are both in the standard Codex. As for the original topic, it's been well addressed. Which is a shame, as it would make it worthwhile in my eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 For those yelling about boycotting GW, I've only been buying aftermarket stuff for years now. I refuse to pass my hard-earned money to a company that threatens to sue its own customers for things that are well within their legal rights on a regular basis. Until they start playing nice, obeying the law, and respecting humanity in general, they aren't seeing my money. I'll snag the new wolves codex off the first kid who dumps his army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-S6 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 What? Are you friends with the players? FW is just like any codex to me. I don't see how they can keep you from using a legal unit. it's not like it's some vdr for apoc. FW rules are not optional - the hard cover books are all core rules (read the introductions). As for balance, FW stuff is almost universally over-costed. The biggest problem with FW rules is finding the latest version of them (IA1 has had many units updated in IA:Apocalypse, IA2 has been replaced with a downloadable PDF, etc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2069777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 For those yelling about boycotting GW, I've only been buying aftermarket stuff for years now. I refuse to pass my hard-earned money to a company that threatens to sue its own customers for things that are well within their legal rights on a regular basis. Until they start playing nice, obeying the law, and respecting humanity in general, they aren't seeing my money. I'll snag the new wolves codex off the first kid who dumps his army. i love when people say this, it makes me giggle. regardles of when you buy the models or books, as long as you do, GW is seeing a profit. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2070024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 What? Are you friends with the players? FW is just like any codex to me. I don't see how they can keep you from using a legal unit. it's not like it's some vdr for apoc. FW rules are not optional - the hard cover books are all core rules (read the introductions). As for balance, FW stuff is almost universally over-costed. The biggest problem with FW rules is finding the latest version of them (IA1 has had many units updated in IA:Apocalypse, IA2 has been replaced with a downloadable PDF, etc) Can you give me a page number? Because according to IA: 4 the Taros Campaign your wrong. Ive heard this, repeatedly, but Ive yet to see it in print. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2070319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion in the Stars Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 For those yelling about boycotting GW, I've only been buying aftermarket stuff for years now. I refuse to pass my hard-earned money to a company that threatens to sue its own customers for things that are well within their legal rights on a regular basis. Until they start playing nice, obeying the law, and respecting humanity in general, they aren't seeing my money. I'll snag the new wolves codex off the first kid who dumps his army. i love when people say this, it makes me giggle. regardles of when you buy the models or books, as long as you do, GW is seeing a profit. WLK You're right, GW saw a profit from ONE sale. The kid that dumped his SWolf army/codex gets some of his money back. GW doesn't see the profit from two sales. If only I had about $20Million USD, I'd drop a tender offer on GW. Buy them outright, and recalibrate the entire marketing department (with pink slips). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2070338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I am 100% in favor of after-market sales. GW doesnt see a penny, they got theirs already. But, I gave up caring about GW. Folks will play their games until they get sick of it and find another game to play. I did it, I came back (several times). They are too entrenched in the gaming world for that to work. The only real hope is to convince everyone in your gaming store to give it up, then convince everyone that comes in and wants to play or buy GW stuff to also give it up. Best of luck to you. If you Boycot GW you can always try Warmachine. Those models aren't that bad. I play (played) WM. Minis are nice, but the rules are a mess. While I apprecaite their "we are hardcore, and have brass balls, and are way better than GW" marketing attempt, they are falling short of the mark. While their rules are better and updated more often, the game is still horribly broken (regardless of if they intended it to be that way or not), the models are overpriced (even though they are doing what they said they would never do as long as they 'had a pair' and are now making plastic models), and I think the fluff is a bit lacking (on its own, its about on par with 40k). IMHO - Should you decide to boycott GW, try Flames of War. I like historicals (this is a WW2 game), its 15mm (so smaller figs) and plays almost exactly like 40k (except, you know, not horribly broken). Bescides, its always fun to blow up Commies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/174994-leman-russ-exterminat0r/#findComment-2070395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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