ShinyRhino Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I was pondering some "fun" ideas over the weekend, and was flipping through the Witch Hunters codex. I discovered that a unit of 20 Sisters of Battle is of comparable cost to ten Marines in a Rhino with a powerweapon sergeant and free special/heavy weapons. One of the things I feel my tacticals don't do so well is provide a heavy firebase from which to defend an objective. But this unit of 20 Sisters puts out up to 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, and 20 at 24". Quite impressive! I know a lot of folks like to use allied Inquisitors and all that fancy jazz, but does anyone use Allied Sisters of this generic sort? They'd lack heavy weapons, but have the same BS and armor save as Marines, for far fewer points. In an objective-based game, they feel like wonderful home base defenders. Resilient with their power armour save, and able to put the hurt on most Troops units through sheer volume of bolter fire. Originally I'd thought about using them as part of a fluffy, Templar-SoB-Grey Knights crusade army, but in looking at this squad, they feel like they'd be useful for my Ultras, too. Opinions, ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 i have consiered this myself after reading through my brothers witchhunter codex.. PA bolter weilding BS4 models that are half the cost of tac marines... sure they have T3 and are next to useless in CC, but as a solid troops choice you cant beat them... I guess what im saying is the best list would use the good points of each army, so massed SOB's with plenty of SM assault troops to do the choppy chop chop! Gc08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 i have consiered this myself after reading through my brothers witchhunter codex..PA bolter weilding BS4 models that are half the cost of tac marines... sure they have T3 and are next to useless in CC, but as a solid troops choice you cant beat them... I guess what im saying is the best list would use the good points of each army, so massed SOB's with plenty of SM assault troops to do the choppy chop chop! Gc08 Exactly my thinking, though with the Allies rule you still need at least two Marine troops choices. This seems like it would work really well with Black Templars armies. Crusader squads move forward, while the Sisters hang back and defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedwin183 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Also great with a Vulkan list. Divine Guidance and flamer-heavy SoB squads + Vulkan's rerolling= lots of dead things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Id say run it at 15, givem a heavy weapon and a stormbolter, and book of st lucious. Cheap objective holder with good fire support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazino Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Except that allied space marines cannot be included if any Adeptus Sororitas units are present in the force. I presume this goes the other way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Except that allied space marines cannot be included if any Adeptus Sororitas units are present in the force. I presume this goes the other way too. Fortunately, your presumption is incorrect (but a very common one). :) You can include Sisters in a Marine parent list, but you can't include Marines in a WH list that includes Sisters. The fluff rational is that the Sisters would never call on the Marines, but sometimes the Marines call on Sisters. (Dunno... sounds silly to me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 They get a faith point too, if I'm not mistaken. =) I've never run them, but I faced them in the World Wide War tournie. ...popped their transport then messed them up all with my MM Dread. ...Perhaps that's not so encouraging for you...but something to think about as they didn't seem to have krak grenades or any anti-vehicle. :) So it was a three turn tarpit til my Dread killed them all. Anyway, you should totally do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share Posted September 23, 2009 Yeah, the crux is in the wording. Allied Space Marines are a "unit" in the WH codex, who can be taken if you don't use and Adeptas Sororitas units. Anything from the WH Codex except Indoctrinated IG and Allied Space Marines can be used as allies for an Imperial force (IG, BT, DA, SW, BA, SM). Keeps you from taking a parent IG list, thenusing the Witch Hunters codex to take Allied Space Marines. The Black Templars short story in Heroes of the Space Marines jest cemented my absolute NEED to build a Templars/Sisters force someday. Maybe bythe time I'm done my Ultras, they'll have plastic Sisters! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazino Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I see. Nice. Then I can use both forces together when done correctly? By the power of the cheap bolter, it shall be done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 The problem, and main reason I dont do a 20 woman squad as opposed to a 15 woman squad, is that theyre about 40 bucks for 10 sisters.... and no weapon options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 The look on my opponent's face when I disembarked 16 Sisters out of my SM Crusader was worth the cost. The look he gave me when I divine guided 32 bolter shots into his honour guard was priceless. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelloss Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 The fluff rational is that the Sisters would never call on the Marines, but sometimes the Marines call on Sisters. (Dunno... sounds silly to me.) IMO the reason of this is GW view WH as inquisition, whereas we we it as sororitas : if a inquisitor ask for sisters, he don't ask for marines, and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 From a certain point of view, Sisters and Marines are functionally the same type of unit (MEQ). GW has limited the type of MEQ unit you can field in an Inquisitorial list; you get either Sisters or Marines, not both. And since Marines are technically better than Sisters, Sisters can have Guard units where Marines cannot. Same goes for Grey Knights. Yet, if it’s a Marine list, they can gain assistance from their equivalents (Sisters and Grey Knights) but not their inferiors (Guard). Guard, of course, can gain assistance from Sisters and Grey Knights, but not the elite(ist) Space Marines. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 How good of an idea would it be if Space wolves used a unit of battle sisters for dedicated Dakka. While a Codex:SM player uses those repenta for CC. I don't have the Witch hunter codex so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 20 Sisters, with veteran superior, and 2x stormbolter: 244pts, 20 wounds, scoring, 1 KP. The VSS can have a Combi-melta for +15pts too, wich can be handy but may not be worth it. Tell me that isnt effective! Another interesting thing is that you can give the WSS a Book of St Lucious for 5pts, giving a 6" bubble of STUBBORN leadership 9. Very worth it for a SW player right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 16 Battle Sisters poring out of a Crusader is a sight to see, especially when they drop 3-4 flamer templates and 24-26 divinely guided bolter shots on just about any infantry unit. It's priceless. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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