National Socialist SM/IG?

[Kabal]

Ok, Before I begin let me say a few things.

 

From the last time I was on this forum, I have had a child(now 8 month's old), Gotten a history doctrine, and now on the way to becoming a history teacher.

I AM German, but personally do not support the meaning or term's that this army represent's/did almost 70 year's ago.

 

I want to know the communites personal outlook on a National Socialist Imperial Guard. I know some of you would smash the model's on sight.

 

but let's put that aside for a moment.

 

The blatent fact is-that the imperial guard littlery resemble them. From unit look's to the very structure on how thing's are runned/administrated.

Even the tactic's are very close to blitzkreig. Now i'm not saying i'm going to go to the point of making a Adolf model/ or even swastika's.

 

But the general paint job of the uniform down to the red band/white circle, probably with ether a iron cross, or the black sun.

 

Please leave you C&C.

[JMcL63]

Quite apart from the potentially explosive nature of your question: this is a power armour board. Questions about the IG are not allowed. You can expect a lockdown any tjme now. :P

[Kabal]

ahh didn't know that :/ (thought it was all imperium of man).

 

Yes, I know the nature is quite explosive.

 

but for the most part im staying away from the "major" thing's that might offend people.

Not just including the name.

 

But thank's ;D

[Brother Tuditanus]

ahh didn't know that :/ (thought it was all imperium of man).

 

Yes, I know the nature is quite explosive.

 

but for the most part im staying away from the "major" thing's that might offend people.

Not just including the name.

 

But thank's ;D

 

But, to make this a possibility to be discussed here.. What about changing the project to represent the SS, or possibly Panzer division, or some other heavily armored/armed/mechanized unit. And, of course, avoiding the aspects you wish to that might offend. Using Space Marine rules to represent them...

 

These guys might even be better represented by Sisters of Battle, as Acts of Faith do work very well for the zedalous nature of the National Socialist Party.. That would also make it work here, and give you a much stronger force, imho. Sisters, played right, are just annoying and dang near impossible to defeat.

[Kabal]

ahh didn't know that :/ (thought it was all imperium of man).

 

Yes, I know the nature is quite explosive.

 

but for the most part im staying away from the "major" thing's that might offend people.

Not just including the name.

 

But thank's ;D

 

But, to make this a possibility to be discussed here.. What about changing the project to represent the SS, or possibly Panzer division, or some other heavily armored/armed/mechanized unit. And, of course, avoiding the aspects you wish to that might offend. Using Space Marine rules to represent them...

 

These guys might even be better represented by Sisters of Battle, as Acts of Faith do work very well for the zedalous nature of the National Socialist Party.. That would also make it work here, and give you a much stronger force, imho. Sisters, played right, are just annoying and dang near impossible to defeat.

 

 

Originally I was going to make a Dreadnoght army And use the SS/Blacksun/Iron cross As the "WW2 theme" But when it came down to Painting the Space Marines I Drew a Blank.

 

The rules i came up with (IF im not mistaken) were making a custom chapter with the extra dreadknoght trait.

 

As for the sister's of battle. i would need to do some heavy conversion. As women at that "time" were rarley seen on the front line.

[General Ravensong]

Personally, I have no problem with it, and would have no problems gaming either against or alongside such an army, and given that most of the different imperial guard are at least loosely based on historical armies I wouldn't be surprised if there's another person out their with an army identical to what you want to do. Theme-wise I think it'd be perfect to represent the Imperial Guard, especially if your Commissars are converted to look like SS officers. I think the iron cross would be a good way to go as it's something that people will recognize as German but not immediately think Nazi.

That said there are cannon armies out their based on other groups that did equally terrible things. It's my understanding that the Commissar idea came from WWII Russia where they'd get people to charge by shooting anyone trying to run away. I've even seen some American themed IG and Space marines out their and I'm not exactly proud of every moment of my countries history, hell, I'm ashamed of a good portion of it.

Not to speak for the whole community when I say this; but I think most everyone would be okay with seeing a socialist themed IG, and anyone who calls you a Nazi deserves to be punched in the face.

Twice

On an entirely different note: congratulations on bringing life into the world, and remember that as long as they're smiling when they start teething on your Leeman Russ, it's an acceptable loss.

[Kabal]

Personally, I have no problem with it, and would have no problems gaming either against or alongside such an army, and given that most of the different imperial guard are at least loosely based on historical armies I wouldn't be surprised if there's another person out their with an army identical to what you want to do. Theme-wise I think it'd be perfect to represent the Imperial Guard, especially if your Commissars are converted to look like SS officers. I think the iron cross would be a good way to go as it's something that people will recognize as German but not immediately think Nazi.

That said there are cannon armies out their based on other groups that did equally terrible things. It's my understanding that the Commissar idea came from WWII Russia where they'd get people to charge by shooting anyone trying to run away. I've even seen some American themed IG and Space marines out their and I'm not exactly proud of every moment of my countries history, hell, I'm ashamed of a good portion of it.

Not to speak for the whole community when I say this; but I think most everyone would be okay with seeing a socialist themed IG, and anyone who calls you a Nazi deserves to be punched in the face.

Twice

On an entirely different note: congratulations on bringing life into the world, and remember that as long as they're smiling when they start teething on your Leeman Russ, it's an acceptable loss.

 

Why, thank you. He's allready destroyed my old tau hammerhead.

The only thing left to decied is would a Armour(SM) Army made to look like the SS War machines, Or a IG Made to look like the historical SS be better.

Replacing the "double SS" with a iron cross on all.

[Brother Tuditanus]

You can use it as 'counts as' and merely whip up converted male models, using the Sisters of Battle rules, but not the models.

 

As far as Space Marines, if you just draw a blank on the color scheme, but wan't to use SM, why, that's what we're here for!!

[Kabal]

You can use it as 'counts as' and merely whip up converted male models, using the Sisters of Battle rules, but not the models.

 

As far as Space Marines, if you just draw a blank on the color scheme, but wan't to use SM, why, that's what we're here for!!

 

Well in that case. (Iv'e been playing to much DOW 2) .

 

As i have been drawing a blank.

 

The idea's I had were a Non-Metallic Sceme. I thried to think of the "Grey Coat's" On a Space marine. (using green stuff,make trench coat's much like the word bearer's" HERE) But I'm not sure how it would turn out.

 

As for the dreadknoght's I figure'd I would make them look "used"(weathered)

 

Any sugestion's?

[Brother Tuditanus]

You can use it as 'counts as' and merely whip up converted male models, using the Sisters of Battle rules, but not the models.

 

As far as Space Marines, if you just draw a blank on the color scheme, but wan't to use SM, why, that's what we're here for!!

 

Well in that case. (Iv'e been playing to much DOW 2) .

 

As i have been drawing a blank.

 

The idea's I had were a Non-Metallic Sceme. I thried to think of the "Grey Coat's" On a Space marine. (using green stuff,make trench coat's much like the word bearer's" HERE) But I'm not sure how it would turn out.

 

As for the dreadknoght's I figure'd I would make them look "used"(weathered)

 

Any sugestion's?

 

That would work.... Make the armor black, with red trim, white shoulder insets, and the robes in a dark grey with heavy badab black wash... I'll try and get an approximation up on the painter soon, but not entirely sure how to post it on the forums..

[Kabal]

You can use it as 'counts as' and merely whip up converted male models, using the Sisters of Battle rules, but not the models.

 

As far as Space Marines, if you just draw a blank on the color scheme, but wan't to use SM, why, that's what we're here for!!

 

Well in that case. (Iv'e been playing to much DOW 2) .

 

As i have been drawing a blank.

 

The idea's I had were a Non-Metallic Sceme. I thried to think of the "Grey Coat's" On a Space marine. (using green stuff,make trench coat's much like the word bearer's" HERE) But I'm not sure how it would turn out.

 

As for the dreadknoght's I figure'd I would make them look "used"(weathered)

 

Any sugestion's?

 

That would work.... Make the armor black, with red trim, white shoulder insets, and the robes in a dark grey with heavy badab black wash... I'll try and get an approximation up on the painter soon, but not entirely sure how to post it on the forums..

 

please do. The black wash I have never heard of.

[Tyrannicide]

Well it sounds like you've been away for a while, because the Space Marines have received a new Codex that countermands the use of traits now. They've instead been replaced by Special Characters, whom you can use as 'counts as' that provide their own set of special rules that apply to your entire force.

[Kabal]

Well it sounds like you've been away for a while, because the Space Marines have received a new Codex that countermands the use of traits now. They've instead been replaced by Special Characters, whom you can use as 'counts as' that provide their own set of special rules that apply to your entire force.

 

hmm I guess I have :/ well. Well time to get a new codex xD

[Brother Tuditanus]

These are by no means with special attention paid to converting to GW colors on the RGB values, or porting actual historical unit colors over, but rather taking the red, black, and white common to the organization in question and transferring. Hopefully a good stepping stone or two!!!

[Kabal]

These are by no means with special attention paid to converting to GW colors on the RGB values, or porting actual historical unit colors over, but rather taking the red, black, and white common to the organization in question and transferring. Hopefully a good stepping stone or two!!!

I really like the 2nd one. The onyl difference I would do is change the iron cross to black. Maybe with some red in it. Anyone else?

[Brother Tuditanus]

I think a black skull in the center with red cross, or red skull black cross would work well if you wanted some variant.

 

Badab Black is a new kind of wash GW just came out with the is amazing... They do a lot of the work of shading and such to the model for you.

[Master Chaplain Astador]

Here is a member who painted a space marine army using this theme. It may have changed since I first saw it as I believe the original threads were before the crash.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...ult_type=topics

Still an excellent painter and a good read through of his Space Marines may help you with your schemes and ideas.

Cheers

[carnosaur93]

well... i would say black armor, with red shoulderpads (you could remove the trim, and make it kinda pre-heresy-ish, or just leave it, and paint the trim sliver or something) with a white circle in the middle, and then the grey coats :)

 

as a side note. i think the imperium as it is, is loosely based on what hitler tried to achive. terra being germania, the IG his core army, and the space-marines the SS... atleast thats how i see it :X

[The Angelus Sanctus]

Because of some of the points that have come up in the thread thus far, i felt it necessary to leave the one and only comment that we wish to leave in regards to the topic.

 

1. Please ensure that the subject matter is kept within the realms of Power Armor and Space Marines. Any divergence to IG will not be accepted and will result in the threads closure.

 

2. Because of the delicate subject matter, we do ask that some of the real-life issues and politics about it remain very minimal. Although i understand it's great to have a theme for ones army, if this thread becomes too political, it will be closed.

[Dark Sensei]

Well, Black, red and some white stands kinda like the colours of some existing chapters (Black Templars mainly). The pictures above don't bring any particular Nazi feeling at all imao.

Now the fluff you want behind your army is well... Mainly your own problem for as long as you dont need more time to explain your reasons to surprised oponents than you have for your whole game.

 

DS

[Kabal]

Because of some of the points that have come up in the thread thus far, i felt it necessary to leave the one and only comment that we wish to leave in regards to the topic.

 

1. Please ensure that the subject matter is kept within the realms of Power Armor and Space Marines. Any divergence to IG will not be accepted and will result in the threads closure.

 

2. Because of the delicate subject matter, we do ask that some of the real-life issues and politics about it remain very minimal. Although i understand it's great to have a theme for ones army, if this thread becomes too political, it will be closed.

 

 

thanks, since it was pointed out to me that this is a power armour only I will stick to just that.

 

And I am trying to "avoid" the political side of this, and making it only estetic. Any point's i bring from history are refrences only :tu:

[DuskRaider]

Politics and 40K usually don't go hand in hand, and as such I try to keep my own political beliefs and whatnot outside of the hobby, as I'm sure I may offend people. I personally don't really see why you'd want to cross the two together. I did always think Doombreed was Hitler in Daemon Prince form, though... In any case, do it if you wish, I am impervious to being offended, but many people are very sensitive to these issues. After all, the modern world is so PC it's sickening.

[rednekkboss]

I say "Go for it!". You obviously have no intention of being inflamatory or annoying about it. Sounds like you are approaching it with the sensitivity it deserves. I think its a great theme idea if you stay away from swastikas, the SS thunderbolts and the balkenkreuz (sp?)...and the politics, of course..... you should be in good shape. :D Utilize the Templar crosses to make Iron Cross type insignia and I think it could be a great theme. Most importantly, its your army and your hobby, I think you have a winning attitude about it. I'm actually making a "crusade" army, led by inquisitors, with several homegrown chapters and one of the ones I was considering was the Knights of the Iron Cross. I'm a long time military model builder and WW2 german subjects are very popular in that community, so there is plenty of stuff out there for supplies and great reference. Personally, I'm curious to see your models.

[Rogue Trooper]

There's a lot of confusion between the party and the army, so why not use the general basis as being Wehrmacht rather than elite? Atleast so far as the colour scheme and themes go.

 

Using the field grey uniform with the Balkenkreuz you'll have a well themed blitzkrieg force that avoid all of the possible PC-Brigade issues, whilst still retaining a brilliant colour scheme. Using red on the trims, as the Officers did so, will differentiate squad leaders in a still historically accurate manner but again, avoids any issues.

 

I thought of doing something very similar and I remember seeing a scheme that was just like this (albeit it with the Swastika); the only issue was the symbol, not the colours. The Balkenkreuz and Fieldgrey gives a subtle historical theme, rather than an in-your-face theme that may be disliked or even discouraged.

[Marshal van Trapp]

i actually knew someone who has (or had, i haven't seen him in a while) a SM army named the Sons of Izan (if you don't get it spell I-Z-A-N backwards...) and he used an iron cross and a backward swastika (which incidentally means the same thing but most ppl don't realize) as his iconography for the chapter, he had some fluff on it but i don't remember what it was

 

INJECTING PERSONAL OPINION(ie. read at own risk):

 

I have always though of the SM as a kind of SS army. (SS as in Super-Soldier) I mean they are the ultimate form of man achieved through science, so that aspect of history kinda made a little sense in my mind, i'm not saying they are going to go around killing innocent people (the inquisition are far too happy doing that themselves...) but they embody Hitler's ultimate dream of an army of super human beings

 

 

so, i feel that they would be a great subject for such an endeavor, i say you get my stamp of approval :D