Ragner Blackmane Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This has probably been asked many times before and is also in the FAQ however I don't understand the rulings on it. What I'm talking about is what I can equip to a terminator with Cyclone Missile launcher already equipped. I want to have a WGBL with 4 WGBG all in term armour and all with Lightning Claws however I feel I need a more ranged punch in that squad so I want to give the WGBL a CML as well. So am I able to equip CML and Lightning Claws or just one Claw or none. Thanks in Advance Blood Claw Blackmane. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 yes. I even run em with a storm shield/storm bolter combo. Or be a complete jerk, go with cyclone missile launcher and assault cannon and storm shield. HAHAHHAHA!!! ...oh wait its not 2nd anymore... But you can run them with l.claws and a cyclone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The CML is sorta an extra weapon plonked on top of the termie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rao Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 While this is certainly "fair ruling" now, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that we will be able to continue to have this completely bonkers ueber customisation in the future. The only unit that allows customisation at model level now is Ork Nobz AFAIK. I wouldn't be surprised if the new dex has a completely different ruling on what Wolf Guard in TDA can take as armament. I could be completely amiss: maybe the C:SM allows for assault termies to be equipped with CMLs (don't know; don't have my dex here at work). Safest bet it to wait it out 'til October and see what the new dex allows. LR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I hope it will. This sounds like it could be fun ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 A Dark Angel player would have to confirm, but I am 99.9% sure my friend who plays them told me thats legal for them as well (2LC with Cyclone), but its been awhile since we talked about it. Currently, its unclear with what they can take. Some think it means they can be outfitted like vanilla marines with a PF/SB, others think it means they can take whatever they want (2LC, SB/SS, etc). My advice, ask locally, then proxy.. because there is no telling what we will have access to in a few months. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Thats my delima, I have no problem running them as a primed model, but commiting to painting a TDA model right now seems to be a gamble, I got alot of other painting to do instead. only draw back is their cost, sure they come out kicking like a wild mule, but a couple ulgy rolls and it's a heavy loss. keeping the CML at range is best bet, 3 CML in a pack can make for some ugly ranged fire WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 A WGBL with a heavy weapon (or a cyclone of his own) plus a few other WGs with Cyclones makes for a decent "Long Fang" stand-in if your pressed for points. Takes up an HQ slot too, which means you save there as well. Works better too when you throw some wolves in to soak up wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2069963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I have found it very leagal and very good. I run him with a TH/SS combo as well. He took down a hive tyrant (shooting and then assualt) and then got charged by a carnifex in his turn, past my counter attack, and proceeded to lay down the hurt although I faild 1 InvSv and he got insta deathed. So his two most powerful creatures (only 1,000pts) killed by 1 140pt WGBL, not bad ay? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 A Cyclone Missile Launcher is a two handed weapon. Why? Because the WGBG entry says to. The Armory says we can have ONE two handed weapon, and one single handed weapon OR two single handed weapons. So if you have a CML you can only have ONE other weapon- so you can have a single lightning claw, OR a stormshield OR etc. Two lightning claws counts as two choices because the armory says so. Storm sheilds count as a single handed weapon, not wargear, because the armory says so. You can have a Stormbolter with a Cyclone missile launcher- but it counts as your other weapon. This is because of the revision of the SW codex, so the later copies list it as an option in the WGBG entry. If you want to do it any other way its a house-rule. Your friends may allow it, and its not game breaking- but its not RAW, so dont get upset if someone protests it at say, a tournament. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbrother Thrarne Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Did they do away with that targeter thing you used to have to have in one hand to fire it? Seems like if that's still there you shouldn't be able to have two lightning claws etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I think a FAQ covered/revised that in past editions.. but was left out of our current FAQ. In the end, this is why you want to avoid bothering with them, and instead, focus on Assault Cannons. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithGatchalian Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Grey is correct.....with a CML you can only have 1 other weapon, due to the limitations put in by the SW Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragner Blackmane Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Could I model it with LC but do use it as 1 LC because it looks cool with the 2 LC's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I dont see why not, as long as you made sure your opponent knew about it- most people are pretty laid back about that kind of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chodjinn Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well I've already modelled one of my WG with twin LCs adn a CML . . . legal or not it looks wicked lol :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragner Blackmane Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well I've already modelled one of my WG with twin LCs adn a CML . . . legal or not it looks wicked lol :) That's why I want to make one myself 'cause I saw one on the Internet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Did they do away with that targeter thing you used to have to have in one hand to fire it? Seems like if that's still there you shouldn't be able to have two lightning claws etc. Yes, the old CML targetter went away. The new plastic terminator sprues don't come with it like the old metal models used to. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Did they do away with that targeter thing you used to have to have in one hand to fire it? Seems like if that's still there you shouldn't be able to have two lightning claws etc. Yes, the old CML targetter went away. The new plastic terminator sprues don't come with it like the old metal models used to. V Problem is, for the Wolves, even if it is gone, we can still only have a single-handed weapon. Sucks, but we only have to live with it for a little longer. In Colorado Springs, eh? Where you play? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2070988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Did they do away with that targeter thing you used to have to have in one hand to fire it? Seems like if that's still there you shouldn't be able to have two lightning claws etc. Yes, the old CML targetter went away. The new plastic terminator sprues don't come with it like the old metal models used to. V Problem is, for the Wolves, even if it is gone, we can still only have a single-handed weapon. Sucks, but we only have to live with it for a little longer. Which is why I'm not going to worry about it until after the new codex. In Colorado Springs, eh? Where you play? I've played at The Gamer's Haven a few times in the past month; I just learned about the place in June when looking up 'Ard Boyz locations on the GW website. Good FLGS with a good group of friendly folks as the regular players who hang out there. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2072014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon77 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hmmm still a few wolfs out there with 2nd Ed dreams of old ;) . I don't think the cyclone/ass cannon combo has ever been legal, it certainly wasn't in 2nd Ed. I remember it was a very heated topic back then, many games abruptly ended then were furiously debated over many bottles of stout ale for an hour or three, ahhhh the good old days :P . Then GW quickly addressed this issue in a White Dwarf, I think it was issue 200. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175109-cyclone-missile-launcher/#findComment-2072646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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