Was the corona nox a soulstone ( Lord of the night question)

[the_unforgiven]

In the novel the lord of the night why did the eldar want the crown it seemed just like a trinket. But then I thougth what if the gems were soulstones that carried kurzes soul. or is it that soulstones do not work with humans? Just musing :rolleyes:

[the jeske]

the eldar wanted it because they seers knew that it was the only one way to get the NL preparing to attack their craftworld turn away and attack a human world instead.

[incinerator950]

Damn Eldar

 

We need more Space Marine Chapters crazy enough like the Invaders chapter.

[Unguis Raptus]

the eldar wanted it because they seers knew that it was the only one way to get the NL preparing to attack their craftworld turn away and attack a human world instead.

 

Well this could be questioned. Yes they wanted the Night Lords stopped from attacking their Craftworld, but this was completed once Zso Sahaal had sent his message through the warp. Why did they then need to continue their actions and risk so much as ultimely some of them died, including a Farseer, trying to obtain the Corona Nox for themselves.

 

All we know is that it held the very being of the Night Haunter, so much so that a psyker can be fooled by its presence into thinking that an actual Night Lord is present.

[the_unforgiven]

Yeah im rereading the novel for the third time and it specifically says its "imbued with his divine essence" And that it calmed his chaotic visions and whatnot apparently It tasted his anger and stored it away as well.weather this is an exaggeration or that the crown has magic properties seems to be up to interpretation.

[the jeske]

Why did they then need to continue their actions and risk so much as ultimely some of them died, including a Farseer, trying to obtain the Corona Nox for themselves.

one thing single guy even a seer <whole craftworld . second thing , if the NL would get the corona fast they would have double up fast and still attacked the craftworld . the corona would also would allow its bearer to unite all NL groups and eldar dont want that.

[the_unforgiven]

I dont even see why the eldar would be so concerned its not like night lords are a particularly demonic or powerful legion. YOud think a craftworld would put more effort to stopping the black legion or ahriman or something

[the jeske]

YOud think a craftworld would put more effort to stopping the black legion or ahriman or something

the NL with its high command[this means every chaos lord that means something] was ready to attack , the eldar are a dieing race , they are good at fast attacks and withdraw . a house to house fight or a trench fight is not something they do good [unlike sm of any kind] . And remeber legions are still thousand and thousand strong . sure maybe they would have beaten the NL back , maybe even destroyed them , but they would probablly end up just like Iyaden a ghost world . Not to mention the fact that while being beaten the NL could be destroying soul stones of dead eldar[to summon demons , gain demon prince status etc] the lose for a dieing race like eldar would be huge.

[the_unforgiven]

And we still dont know if the corona has any mystical power. Apprently it had at least enough presence for mita to beleive that a nigthlord was in the room when it was in the room.

[Solid Zaku]

I think the issue was less of the Night Lords themselves, but of all the Daemonic buddies Acerbus was going to bring along for the ride.

[Raven Angel]

We need more Space Marine Chapters crazy enough like the Invaders chapter.

 

 

The Invaders are all but dead and they lost their home world to boot.

[incinerator950]

We need more Space Marine Chapters crazy enough like the Invaders chapter.

 

 

The Invaders are all but dead and they lost their home world to boot.

 

They're down to 3 Companies and are Space Bound, Blood Ravens were down to 5 companies when they found there new homeworld.

 

Mantis Warriors are edging on the same thing, Crimson Fists got beaten down even lower but came back.

 

I count Invaders particularly good at what they managed to do. Infact the only way now adays to do anything remotely decent is to wipe something out while losing 80% of your forces :), damn novels and fluff.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Thats the thing, people underestimate exactly how quickly a Chapter can rebuild.

Ok, they've got 3 full Companies. Thats 300+ Marines. For the sake of example, lets call it 300.

Now, each of those Marines has a progenoid gland. And lets say only half have both still, and were all implanted at the same time.

In 5 years, they can extract the neck-seed from half the Chapter. Thats another 150 geneseeds. In another 5 they can extract the chest from all, and thats another 300. In 10 years, they've just got 450 geneseeds, soon ready for implantation. In another... lets say 6 (5 to mature in host, 1 to mature outside and implant), they've just got another 450.

 

In less than 20 years, they can more than entirely rebuild the Chapter from 300 Marines. Of course, this doesn't take into account failed implantations and whatnot, but its still all to easy to rebuild. However, what that also doesn't take into account is the pre-existing geneseed stocks in the Fortress Monastery. Add in that, and you're basically set.

The only reason the Crimson Fists had a hard time rebuilding was the destruction of the Fortress Monastery, and that going by the force details given in Planetstrike, they had only 3 Apothecaries.

[Hellios]

Its people like the Celestial lions who are screwed :( 96 marines and no Apothecaries left :'(

[The Broker]

Its people like the Celestial lions who are screwed :devil: 96 marines and no Apothecaries left :'(

 

I never understood why they couldn't train more Apothecaries/second Apothecaries from other chapters to harvest the Gene-Seed?

[Hellios]

Its people like the Celestial lions who are screwed :devil: 96 marines and no Apothecaries left :'(

 

I never understood why they couldn't train more Apothecaries/second Apothecaries from other chapters to harvest the Gene-Seed?

 

Well I think Apothecaries are trained by the chpaters current Apothecaries and as for why other chapters couldn't train them or lend Apothecaries I guess they are just not that close to each other or maybe its just a matter of honour.

[incinerator950]

Thats the thing, people underestimate exactly how quickly a Chapter can rebuild.

Ok, they've got 3 full Companies. Thats 300+ Marines. For the sake of example, lets call it 300.

Now, each of those Marines has a progenoid gland. And lets say only half have both still, and were all implanted at the same time.

In 5 years, they can extract the neck-seed from half the Chapter. Thats another 150 geneseeds. In another 5 they can extract the chest from all, and thats another 300. In 10 years, they've just got 450 geneseeds, soon ready for implantation. In another... lets say 6 (5 to mature in host, 1 to mature outside and implant), they've just got another 450.

 

In less than 20 years, they can more than entirely rebuild the Chapter from 300 Marines. Of course, this doesn't take into account failed implantations and whatnot, but its still all to easy to rebuild. However, what that also doesn't take into account is the pre-existing geneseed stocks in the Fortress Monastery. Add in that, and you're basically set.

The only reason the Crimson Fists had a hard time rebuilding was the destruction of the Fortress Monastery, and that going by the force details given in Planetstrike, they had only 3 Apothecaries.

 

Problem is Invaders lost the entire home planet. Unless there monestary just magically happened to be a massive star fortress (awesome), and flew away, then they lost alot of geneseed during the attack.

 

I thought Celestial Lions were 69 marines left, and I still don't know why no one would send apotheocaries to help, probably because the marine corpses happened to be in Ork infested areas, the Inquisition sending secret orders to not help them (Ork snipers are not accurate, it's obvious they were Inquisition) or other chapters too lazy to help.

[Raven Angel]

The other chapters would wait till the Lions Ask. That is a point of Honor. As for the inquisition i don't know.

[Epic Thoughts]

I think it's an incredibly original take on 'The Lord of The Night' to think that the Corona Nox might be some sort of soul stone. I hadn't once considered that possibility. To think that The Night Haunter might have been so close to being reborn, reincarnated, or some how contacted, like eldar do with their dead, makes my heart beat a little faster.

 

However, I feel that looking for motivation in regards to the actions of The Eldar is ultimately a futile task. They are beyond the keen of men, and deserve naught but the extinction on which they teeter so perilously.

[Unguis Raptus]

I always assumed that they did what they did to stop Sahaal from leading, I mean normally I doubt an assasin would bother with something like the Corona Nox, would they see it as nothing more than a trinket, unless they were under the influence of the Eldar. Sahaal leaves and the legion became the fear eating monster that it is today, unfocused and fractured. Whereas if Sahaal had taken charge they could have become a focused and very serious threat to the Imperium and, as a result, the galaxy.

[Blckbuster]

Now that I think about it, kurze seemed rather unconcerned with being assassinated. Maybe he knew he was going genie-in-a-bottle

[incinerator950]

Kurze wanted to die

[Unguis Raptus]

Yeah he always knew what was going to happen with the Heresy and that he was going to die.

[incinerator950]

He knew it to the point he could change it, but he wanted to, so to prove a point to the Imperium and because it's rumored he had a split personality that conflicted with him.