Shenaniganz Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hey hey hey. My first army... or yet to be (hopefully) at the moment it’s more like my first squad and they haven't been fully finished yet but that’s why it’s in this forum :lol:. I have been pretty much a "lurker" in regards to warhammer for many years just buying whitedwarf magazine and stuff, I played for a bit with friends armies but the warhammer club shutdown pretty well after I joined. Anyhoo i bought some models AGES ago and have never gone past base coating a few marines but after a recent bout of being at home sick I decided to finish em off and it turns out to be pretty fun. As the title says I don't have a name for these guys yet but I’ve got an idea about the direction of the fluff associated with them. In brief *ahem* one of the armies librarians gets corrupted by one of the chaos gods (preferably Slanesh because im thinking of doin a noise marine army later on) he then corrupts several other librarians and starts on other members of the chapter one uncorrupt librarian approaches a chaplain and tells him of this heresy. Then the inquisition gets involved and then there’s like this psyker battle royal loyalist space marines with librarians and grey knights against the converted of the chapter and daemons and shiz. The loyalists eventually finish the heretics off but they didn’t win by much. The chapter is left in ruins with many of their number either dead or worshipping the chaos gods. Running dangerously low on numbers the primarch split what was left of the first company putting the veterans into tactical, devastator, assault and in some cases scout squads to speed the learning of new members of the chapter. After the “fall” the chapter changed its heraldry to what you will soon see, I wanted them to look cold and bitter about what had happened to them so I tried make their eye lenses look clear and used a lot of darker colours. http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010588.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010591.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010592.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010584.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Phoenix Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Looking good so far. A lot like pre-heresy iron warriors. I would suggest finding some sort of accent color, jsut since the very dark color scheme might lose some things at a distance, but like i said these are a nice start to an army :devil:. One problem with the fluff - there are only 20 primarchs, with their own chapters, and the idea of others existing outside of that doesn't fit with the universe. The obvious solution would be to just change it from primarch to chapter master...or perhaps there's something more creative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 Thanks Iron Phoenix. Well now you say it id prolly like to go with something like the iron hands and have a council including some dreads and the chapters last surviving librarian. Accent colour? I can't say I understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal van Trapp Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 :devil: : hmmm i don't know about the fluff, the inquisition is kind of "shot first, don't ask questions" when it comes to any amount of a chapter turning to chaos, kind of why the Dark Angels try to hide the fact that the Fallen still exist and Gabriel of the Blood Ravens (at least in the novels) doesn't say why he had to kill his friend and fellow marine Isador Akios, if you change the story to exclude the INQ and make it just a chapter war, then it should be fine, oh and there would be no Primarch, its a chapter master if anything, there were only 20 primarchs and they all dead (or in stasis, or daemon princes, or yada yada yada) back on topic: i really like the scheme, it looks like an inverted Deathwatch like scheme (Deathwatch are Black armor with Silver shoulders in case you didn't know) i think you have some top notch painting, are these your first models painted to? if so i gotta congratulate you on that, they are AMAZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalevolentMc Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I'm digging it man, looks like a really nice Army. Especially since these may be your first painted models in a long time.. or ever! Kudos on that man. There is really nothing like seeing the process and transformation from sprues to finished model.. I find myself staring at them alot when i finish them. lol.. As Iron Phoenix suggested, an Accent color could be pretty useful as from far away your models may look all silverish black. Need something to break that apart, but still keep a fresh look on the boys. When i looked at your guys, this is what i thought of.. don't ask why i just went with it. http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5449/spacemarinek.jpg Alternatively, if your not feeling the torquise, simply supplement it for the Red you've used, that should look pretty nice too. :pinch: - MMC EDIT: Picture should work now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkin Arenis Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I like the scheme and the theory behind it... Now on the topic of names... I think a metallic theme would be good, like Iron or Steel whatever... Iron Saints Steel Warriors Steel Angels Iron Angels etc. And what Chapter are they sucessors of? That would really help with the naming of the chapter Arenis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 They look very similar to the DIY chapter I started the other day ;) As such I'm going to say I like them a lot. I did have black pads at first, but changed them to white then Mechrite Red. I'm calling my guys either the Steel Dragoons or the Steel Redeemers. I'm leaning towards the later at the moment. What black have you used? I tried Undercoat Black Foundation and it looked horrible. Same with the White Foundation. Your black looks far nicer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 @Marshal van Trapp: Thanks man. They are the first models ive painted, not the first ive modelled but mind you i have been been warhammer for a while so i kinda understand the basics behind each technique. Yea an internal civil chapter war sounds like the ticket and that would explain damages to the fortress monestary and stuff. @MalevolentMc: Thanks broski, yea i stare myself sometimes too. Umm i can see what your saying in regards to an accent colour, i basicaly copied the iron knights colour scheme (the pic in the cityfight book inspired me) but i coulden't source any of the little shieldy things so i thought might as well do a diy. Hmm i like the teal but i dont think it would go with what im trying for with these guys. so im thinking of something like this @Dragonkin Arenis: Thanks dude. Umm i dunno who the are successors to, as i said i ripped of the iron knights colour scheme but they are far to alike to be successors to them... i was thinking maybe Iron hands or lamentors... @Vor: Haha true? well i used games workshops spray on primer, then touched it up with some thinned out choas black. For my first highlight i used codex grey (i think) and then extreme highlited with fortress grey or maybe the other way round... whatever i used the darker one first. Then i gave em a couple of washes of black ink to take away the starkness of the highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalevolentMc Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Just an FYI dude, i pretty sure those shields whomever used in the cityfight army showcase we're the shield from the Terminator sprues. - MMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Phoenix Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Knights http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Knights two great fluff and design sources, always worth a peek ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dood515 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 i was thinking of doing what you did with the lightning claw to powerfist idea but im sorry to say i don't think it worked very well, the wires on the side and the plate over the nuckles make it look too much like it used to be a lightning claw. "insertcoolsmilyhere" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 @dood515: Hmm i dunno, yea i can still see that it was originally a lightning claw but i thought it would look like a big knuckle duster and i don't mind it. This arvo i will finish the silver armour on the next five marines and will post em up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Phoenix Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a thin flat plate, or a row of studs across it would help break up the form i think and make it look extra smashy :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Heres the next five with their armour done and gold + brass has been highlighted also http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010593.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ok so i did a test model with accent colours ^_^ http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010596.jpg The left or red shoulder will have a black squad marking and the black or right shoulder will have red chapter symbol(when i get some transfer paper), just to break it up a bit. Wotcher think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deo Volente Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 nice nice im a newbe here and i have just started out myself with my chapter idea but yours looks cool :P emperor (iron) avengers sounds nice for your chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vor Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I don't like the red part on the helm. It might look better with just a red pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlad-fanglord Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 call them the pinnacle guard. i'll probably never get to make my made up chapter a reality, so put it to good use, as long as you don't make the 2nd company, i kinda got dibbs on them IF i ever do them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 And you thought this thread was dead!? Bah! (or Pah! whichever you prefer). No i has merely been dormant due to the fact that this is my last year of school in aus so im really busy, im a really slow painter and ive been waiting on some new paints.As this is my first is my first time i am climbing the the steep(ish) learning curve and im having a great time doing it. I havent been able to contact or find any warhammer players in my area so im just painting for fun and so i have an army for when i move next year. Anyhoo I\'m very happy and actually pretty surprised with the out come of these 5 models. My brush control has been improving a load, ive tried out some new techniques such as glazing and ive tried some weathering which has turned out alright http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010725.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010729.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010730.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010733.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010734.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010735.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010736.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010737.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010738.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortifis Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I must say, I was dubious about the red visor on the helmets, but its turned out quite nicely on the models. Good work so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalevolentMc Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm feeling it man; definitely better than my first few models! And the color scheme works pretty well. :rolleyes: My only complaint would be the 'highlighting.' I've noticed, on metal painted models, there is no need to highlight them as I see you've done with a lightershade of metallic color. The light already bounces off of the metallic colors just as it would in real life. As where if you have a colored armor section, the highlighting is there to show detail which may be lost in the dark coloring. So I'm not saying repaint them.. But if you painted them say All chainmail, gave a badab black was in the lower sections of the armor, you'd have a natural looking shading metal. And it would be awesome! Just a thought. - MMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 @Mortifis: Thanks dude, yea i was a bit sketchy about it at first but now i see a few of em im pretty happy with it @MalevolentMc: Thanks for the crits MMC. Hmmm i think i can see what your saying but i dunno. Heres my scheme for the silver 1 part Chaos black, 1 part black ink, 1 part boltgun metal Chainmail edging/highlight Mithril silver extreme highlights Black ink in the recesses (links between armour plates n shtuff) So MMC are you saying on the opposite side of the plate to the highlighting give it a black wash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalevolentMc Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Well I'm saying that your method for metal may be too complex.. Give it a shot on a test model, go straight chainmail, and wash badab black. No highlights on the edging and see what it looks like? Or if you don't want to spare a model, just grab a bitz box arm or head. - MMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Gee i thought it would yield results but the qualitie of which are actually quite surprising... Now I know how people can knock up iron warrior tourny armies in weeks. Hmm but i don't plan on changing the scheme a ) As i can't be bothered repainting them and b ) I kinda like the contrast the highlighting gives. Although i may ad a final step to my metal scheme which would be a wash of badab black as it does give a more natural look and a wash can (as i have seen when painting the red and black) can make even the most bodgy highlighting job look quite good. Thanks for the pro tip MMC as i prolly will use it on the metal components of my next army. Update, an update without pics but an update nontheless. Next 5 marines painted up to the stage of the last 5 i previously showed. I will post pics soon. Also anyone know where to get transfer paper? I googled it but the church of google did not yield results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenaniganz Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 Ahoy fellow threadgoers of the W.I.P thread. Im back (in black) and i have an update name wise and army wise.The update name wise is that im off Iron Gryphons and now on The Last Apostles that seems like a far more beffiting name, anyhoo pics. AHEM. My first tac squad. http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010789.jpg My second tace squad. http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010790.jpg Some random models from the 2. http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010792.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010795.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab112/Shenaniganz67/P1010801.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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