Luc O' Luck Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 So yeah, in the final phase of completing my 1000 point Witch Hunters force, I took a look at my current collection. with 1850 points of Spess Mehreens and 1000 of SoBs and an Inquisitor, I had a nice, almost Apocolypse sized force to be going on with. The Space Marines provided me with a very flexible force, with assault potential and a very strong firebase to build that assault around. My Captain was a badass with Thunder Hammer and a striking command squad, and four fully beefed out tacticals, I had a nice powerful force. In their basalt grey armour, with their aboriginal patterns and theme, the Favoured Sons force (for that is their name) is something that I can sit back, take a look at, and think; "Yeah, I did alright." My WH force, in their dark green, silver and gold armour, took up the Grimdark side of 40k for me. Horribly shooty, and able to mincemeat most other 1k armies at short range shooting, they are not the CC monsters that I see scattering the tables of my game store. Needing only to finish up with a tank and a final three sisters models, I turned my eyes to my next project... And found Chaos. Can anyone help me decide whether or not to take that next stop? How are Chaos to play? What are the prospects that mark them out from the Spess Marheens of the Empra? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 we are like sisters a short range list , only with better HQ[the demon prince] , better support units [oblits and termicid] and unlike sob we can do hth and we do it better then most non hth dedicted units with our basic troops[pms/csm] zerkers [also troops] are one of the best hth units in the game. the chaos army lists has 2 builds . the mecha build [4 units of troops in rhinos , 1/2 hqs 4/6oblits] and the LR rush build [2 LR 2 rhinos .2 hqs for the LR lists no oblits.] chaos has also two tier 2 lists. the zylla list [2 DPs , 2 dreads ,3 defilers 2units of troops 7-8man strong and a unit of demons] and the water warrior NM build[2lash prince , 4+ NM units , 2 with rhinos 4+oblits.] . everything else is below tier 2 or not playable [1ksons builds for example]. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 How are Chaos to play? What are the prospects that mark them out from the Spess Marheens of the Empra? Short answer: not a huge amount of difference really, we're just spiky Marines Long answer: In general, Chaos focuses heavily on their troops as we have some of the best in the game. We don't NEED Elites/Fast/Heavy in the same way other armies do, because our troops are elites. Chaos is also a short range army. We don't do gunlines very well at all. We play like SoB in that sense, most deadly within 12" but unlike SoB, we're pretty damn solid in the assault phase. The current power build for Chaos is dual Lash Princes (to move units around) with 4-6 Obliterators (basically a Terminator Dev squad) with some Berserkers (super assault troops) and Plague Marines (like Necron Warriors on crack tough) troops to carry the day. Daemon Princes are awesome, otherwise I'd say our HQ units are about the same as yours on average. Our Bikes suck. Our Assault Marines aren't that great. Our Vets have infiltrate but are otherwise pretty boring. We have cheaper, more flexible Terminators Our Vehicles tend to be more expensive and not quite as good as yours We have crazy Dreadnoughts but useful Defilers I hope thats enough for a start, what were you thinking of playing exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc O' Luck Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 A fairly fluffy army, to be honest, maybe a Khornate list, but I'm torn between Khorne and Slaanesh. Pink and Black or Red and Brass, I can't choose which. I do like the idea of CHARGE from the Khorne list, but the Slaanesh models are very, very pretty. My Sisters were fluff based, and my Marines were built to adhere to the concepts of the Aboriginal theme, so I'm more of a fun and fluff gamer than a power gamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 our dreadnoughts suck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We don't have a half retarded Space Marine captain from /tg/ lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc O' Luck Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 How feasable is it to collect an all Khorne or all Slaanesh army? How large or small would each be model wise at a 1000 points? Reason I ask is that I'm a student, so with limited funding on a scale which beggars belief. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 its feasible I think, as long as you get a DP and a few squads of normal marines maybe a termie squad and a defiler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 It can be feasible. I just wish this codex wasn't geared for Minmaxing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 How feasable is it to collect an all Khorne or all Slaanesh army? How large or small would each be model wise at a 1000 points? Reason I ask is that I'm a student, so with limited funding on a scale which beggars belief. Quite feasible. Khorne is far and away the easier choice. At 1000 points I'd go with something like this as the foundation: 1 Daemon Prince, Wings, Mark of Khorne 2 x 8 Berserkers, Power Fist Champion, Rhino That leaves you around 370 points for whatever you want. Defilers, Vindicators, Predators, Obliterators, more Berserkers, Terminators, another Daemon Prince, Raptors, marked CSMs. All good choices. Slaanesh is a little bit harder. If you play with Slaaneshi marked CSMs, it will be fairly easy really. You're just basic CSMs that strike at I5. Take the same kind of weapons and you'll be fine. If you play with Noise Marines, you have alot of choices as there is much debate about how best to use them. They fall into 3 main camps (depending mostly on what special sound weapon you take). Doom Siren squads = Assault units. Not as good as Berserkers but you still have your Bolters for shooting. Sonic Blaster squads = mobile dakka units. Kind of like Tactical Terminators or Grey Knights, you basically have a super Stormbolter. Blastmaster squads = fire support units. Best played similar to the old Las/Plas 6 man squads. 5-6 guys (maybe with a Rhino) camping an objective tossing our Krak cup cakes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc O' Luck Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 I've been looking at the codex and thinking of throwing together either a World Eaters Khorne Beserker force, with a Chaos Lord and lots of Zerkers, or maybe a Word Bearer's force, with counts as Khorne Bezerkers, to represent a cult of Khornate World Eaters, and a squad of Demonettes (because the models are really very pretty) and a core of normal Chaos Marines. Any hint as to how that would work? Are there any models or rules I must follow for a Word Bearer's force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Do the World Eater's force instead, Word Bearers are harder to fluff out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 slanesh is unplayable under 1500pts. Am saying that after playing with every NM build possible since the codex hit the shelfs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Are there any models or rules I must follow for a Word Bearer's force? MUST follow? No. SHOULD follow? Yes. Word Bearers are the epitome of the Chaos Undivided Legion. They look down on the idea of worshipping any individual god and instead praise all four and Chaos as whole. This means that to most people, the appropriate choice is CSMs with Icon of Chaos Glory. Daemonettes can be used as Lesser Daemons just fine, though remember they have the LD stats, not Daemonettes stats. Before you go any further, I'll just let you know that if you decide to go with Berserkers, stay away from the Bloodfeeder. Its a 1/3 chance of hitting yourself and not doing anything a turn. Thats too high. Dual Claws is the way to go, makes you 100% safe and 100% lethal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc O' Luck Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Is there any fluffy way (that does not include black armour) in which I can feild both Khorne Beserkers and Daemonettes? I like the look of the Daemonettes, and the straight forwards CHARGE tactic of the Khorne Beserkers appeals to me after having played with stand and shoot SoBs and tacitcally flexible SM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Is there any fluffy way (that does not include black armour) in which I can feild both Khorne Beserkers and Daemonettes? I like the look of the Daemonettes, and the straight forwards CHARGE tactic of the Khorne Beserkers appeals to me after having played with stand and shoot SoBs and tacitcally flexible SM. Play Apocalypse? Technically speaking, Daemonettes don't exist for the Chaos Marine codex. You're stuck with Lesser Daemons. Now there is no reason you can't use Daemonette model as a "count as" Lesser Daemon with your Berserkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2075714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I would say the whole counts-as might work for your daemonette and blood soaked chainaxe fetish mister 4chan/7(2ch.us) etc luc. But I'll pass and see if there's a better way. I would have to say, since your stuck on red that the Red Corsairs would be for you. Though dont count on huron to be your better HQ choice. They can take marines from anywhere your heart desires as long as you put reasonable fluff behind it. They're also red. They also accept marines from other legions IIRC. They also can have those daemonettes you might enjoy painted like 'nette-chan with the black leather and valentines box. (Once branded with /tg/ - always branded) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175631-the-tempting-dark-side/#findComment-2076108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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