wizard12 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 right, heres the problem when you take a compnay champion/standard bearer, do they stop counting as veterans for the perposes of items such as storm shields as they are technicly not veterans any more. any awnsers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leahcim Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Company Champion is an upgraded character (as the Apothecary), while standard bearer is a old term. Now it (the Banner) is just a piece of wargear which only 1 Veteran may take. So the Champion is not Veteran and the dude with the flag still is :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2076141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahrikmili Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 As far as I remember these specialists have their own statlines in C:SM and thus can't take upgrades as veterans. However, in pre-C:SM codices don't give different statlines for specialists (Honor Guard in the Blood Angels codex for example) and these specialists can still take upgrades. This will likely get ammended in new codex releases though. Again, this is what I remember and likely wrong :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2076142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmsniper Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Champions have their own stat line and wargear that can not be changed. The Standard Banner is a vet given the "banner" as a peice of gear, he is free to take other wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2076311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stCoBattleBro Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 And what about the Apothecary? Is he a Vet that can take, for example, a Plasmagun instead of his BoltPistol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2129962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 And what about the Apothecary? Is he a Vet that can take, for example, a Plasmagun instead of his BoltPistol? The Apothecary gets his own statline, and as such is not a "Veteran" in terms of upgrades; thus he is not elligible for upgrades. Kinda stinks, if I could give one a storm shield I totally would. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2129968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stCoBattleBro Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just read the other posts on my searchy, and found the answer ... but thanks thade. The Apothecary cannot take upgrades that the Vets can. ... bummer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2129977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just read the other posts on my searchy, and found the answer ... but thanks thade. The Apothecary cannot take upgrades that the Vets can. ... bummer. Yeah, this is the whole reason I've kept with my vanguard and stayed away from the command squad. FNP is nice and all...but only five models and a max of four that I can upgrade...No matter how I cut it, the unit would take too many hits and everybody would be making saves. Actually... Perhaps I am under-estimating FNP. If I build the unit with 2-3 storm shields and then the other 1-2 vets with power swords (not sure I'd do the champ upgrade, but maybe) then when a hidden power weapon/fist or an IC hits the unit, I should be able to land most if not all of those hits on the storm shields (for invuln saves) then allocate the rest of the normal wounds over the unit which FNP would help with. Now I kind of want to re-examine this again. Thanks for pokin my brain. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2130040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Perhaps I am under-estimating FNP. If I build the unit with 2-3 storm shields and then the other 1-2 vets with power swords (not sure I'd do the champ upgrade, but maybe) then when a hidden power weapon/fist or an IC hits the unit, I should be able to land most if not all of those hits on the storm shields (for invuln saves) then allocate the rest of the normal wounds over the unit which FNP would help with. Now I kind of want to re-examine this again. Thanks for pokin my brain. :) I personaly think the command squad makes a better shooty squad than a beaty squad. Melta/plasma/flamer spam and a fist. Generaly if you tool them for mellee you increase their cost by too much to be worth it, but 4 meltas and a drop pod is not that expensive. or a bunch of plasma and a transport. I frequently suggest a plasma spam command squad as the solution to monsterous creatures, it will bring alot of pain to TEQ also. Flamer spam (which definatly NEEDs a fist) can bring insane pain to a hoard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2130221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterDragon Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Hey,sorry for necro-ing this thread but it seemed relevant enough to what I wanted to ask and I did not want to start a new one. So,since the banner is a wargear item can the veteran that has it be equipped normally?For example with banner+power weapon+bolt pistol? I mean the banner is huge but we assume it does not take up one of his hands,like he plants it while fighting or something.Am I correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2372804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Hey,sorry for necro-ing this thread but it seemed relevant enough to what I wanted to ask and I did not want to start a new one.So,since the banner is a wargear item can the veteran that has it be equipped normally?For example with banner+power weapon+bolt pistol? I mean the banner is huge but we assume it does not take up one of his hands,like he plants it while fighting or something.Am I correct? sure. The banner bearer is still a veteran (unlike the champion or apothecary). My banner bearer has a powerfist, a meltagun, and the banner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2372956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of the Shields Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 From what i understand, since the bearer does not "replace bolt pistol/chainsword" he "takes" it, then he is allowed two weapons. Mine has a power fist and a holstered bolt pistol that he can use in the shooting phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/175697-command-squad-question/#findComment-2373497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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