Titan87 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Just like the title says, do you need a second HQ at 2500 points? For army wide affect chaplains don't seem that beneficial to me affecting only 1 unit, and for the Librarian's to be effective it needs to be an epistolary and have terminator armor for an invulnerable save making him costly (most expensive loadout put him at 190 points) so is a second HQ necessary. or can that 100+ points be spent better elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannus Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 At 2500 points, you certainly have the room for one - but it isn't manditory. A Chaplian (while not 'army-wide' in ability) still makes a great support character and a second Captain could certainly help. With the Captain, adding a second Command Squad (if you have a first, that is) can add a second banner to the army for some serious Ld boost. Libbies don't need Terminator armor to be useful, as they make great support units. If you want them to be principle close-combat fighters, then the Termie armor becomes a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'd agree with Bannus. They're not needed but couldn't hurt, especially if you have a nicely balanced army already. I personally think the poor Chaplain doesn't get the love he used to. I know he got nerfed a bit but think of him more as an ugprade character and not a IC and he'll work out just fine. The ability to reroll hits on the charge can be the difference between getting tarpitted or sweeping through a unit. I'm not a huge fan of the Librarian, seems like more of a novelty class to me. Not saying its not powerful, but I'd prefer the simpler Captain/Chaplain combo if I was a Loyalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan87 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 what would be the second HQ choice for a pairing with calgar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 what would be the second HQ choice for a pairing with calgar? I'd say it would depend on the rest of your army, but my gut instinct is a Chaplain with either Assault Terminators, Assault Squad or Vanguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternguard sergeant McColl Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 On the contrary i would say the best pairing for him would be a support librarian, powers like smite, avenger, GoI or Force dome would compliment calgar's LD bonuses and brute force well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 what would be the second HQ choice for a pairing with calgar? Tigurius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan87 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 I wish. Tigurius, calgar and 10x honor guard with relic blades in an LRC would destoy all, maybe someday. Also tigurius is just to fragile with only 2 wounds and no invulnerable save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Sicarius has a huge effect at that pont level- giving you alot of LD 10 marines on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Agreed with Grey Mage. Siccy's support abilities become gross at higher points levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan87 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 would sicarius's abilities really improve an army with calgar that much, as I can choose to pass or fail morale checks with calgar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackbar Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 would sicarius's abilities really improve an army with calgar that much, as I can choose to pass or fail morale checks with calgar? Check the wording on that. Not everything that uses your Leadership score is considered a Morale test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan87 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Check the wording on that. Not everything that uses your Leadership score is considered a Morale test. Good catch you can use Sicarius' LD for morale and pinning tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crassus Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 A Librarian is soild for a secondary HQ, I used one in addition to Vulkan in the 'ard boyz semi finals. I originally took him for the psychic hood to stop Eldar seer councils, but null zone is just stupid good. I laid waste to a demon army because of this power alone combined with bolter fire. Making him re-roll sucessful saves for nearly everything he had irritated him. Null zone also allowed my thunder-hammer terminators to completely waffle stomp 2 mobs of ork nobs plus their attached characters. So yeah, at 2500+ a Librarian is a good backup HQ. I just left him as the 100point version right out of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaarl Stormfang Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 100 point librarians are awesome. ICs without retinues are pretty vulnerable in CC nowadays, especially the 2 wound types, and trying to add some scant protection is more trouble than it's worth in my opinion. Keep it cheap, keep it under the radar, let it do it's job and then who cares what happens to it. Chaplain dies after the charge? Not bothered. Librarian dies after null zoning you on a key turn? Not a big deal. Cheap and cheerful, stays out of CC till it's job is done, and then not a big loss if they die. That's my philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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