Grey knight true grit artificer armour question

[wizard12]

right, my question is if I give my justicar artificer armour, can he still use true grit?

 

Oh and while I'm on the justicar - artificer armour thing can they take weapons from the weapons section of the armoury as they no longer cont as being in power armour

 

thanks

[jeffersonian000]

Well, "True Grit" only applies the Grey Knights with stormbolter and power armour (C:DH, pg8), so a Justicar (Grey knight) in artificer armour (non-power armour) would not retain the "True Grit" ability.

 

A Justicar does have access to Artificer armour (C:DH, pg 29), and if equipped with artificer armour may exchange his stormbolter and/or nemesis force weapon for up to two (2) other weapons, only one (1) of which may be 2-handed (C:DH, pg 16).

 

SJ

[avatar8481]

I would not have played it that way. artificer armor is just better power-armor to my mind.

[veidin]

Im pretty sure artificer armor is still power armour. Artificer armour is just higher quality and confers a better save due to this, that in mind Id say yes True Grit works with it.

[jeffersonian000]

(C:DH pg 16) "Artificer Armour: Artificer armour is built by great master craftsmen and offers even greater protection than power armour. It confers a ..."

 

Not the same as power armour, so True Grit would be lost.

 

SJ

[veidin]

I call Shenanigans then.

[avatar8481]

Yeah, if you tried to claim that in a game I'd call shenanigans too. But more to the point, what messed up list are you running where you'd ever bother giving your justicar artificer armor anyway?

[veidin]

I dunno I guess I see Jeff's point. For another look I checked the SM codex's description figuring it might have a more in depth description and it says that power armour and artificer armour are VASTLY different even though they look similar. That being said I guess Jeff is right but I still think that based off looks and functionality its the same genre of armour and should confer the True Grit ability but thats an opinion not a matter of fact. :P

[Gentlemanloser]

This is a can of worms. ;)

 

If you give him AA and lose True Grit (as he no longer is in Power Armour), then Justicars should also be able to purchase any Weapons they want from the Armory (as GK in Power Armour can't).

 

Along that note, is the GK Storm Shield a Weapon or not? The question of it supplying +1 Attack still came up rcently in the OI Forum, and it either classes as a one handed weapon and does, or it's not a weapon and doesn't. If it's not technically a weapon, can a Justicar in Power Armour purchase it from the armory?

 

Don't you just love 2 edition out of date Codexes...

[veidin]

I asked this in a post located here http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=175628 I was told that the storm shield does NOT confer an extra attack, even though the codex states it is a CC weapon. It confused me thoroughly, but due to mixture of special weapons or something of the sort is why id doesnt confer the attack. Maybe it would for a Just with a power weapon though.

[jeffersonian000]

Gentlemanloser has it correct: as long as a Justicar is in Power Armour, he cannot purchase different weapons yet retains True Grit. Give him Artificer Armour and he can purchase different weapons yet loses True Grit.

 

SJ

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Why are you going to give him artificer armour? He's perfectly fine the way he is. Maybe slap a targeter, or some frags on him (if you've got some spare points), but he's golden as he is. Most squad leaders would kill to have the special rules+wargear that he does. There is just no concievable reason to replace either his storm bolter or NFW, they're just too useful.

[Gentlemanloser]

5 Man Psycannon Purgation Heavy squads.

 

:(

 

Sometimes I just love the conformity.

[jeffersonian000]

Indeed, or a 5 man Incinerator squad. The thing is though, that all of them lose True Grit due to losing their Stormbolters; artificer armour only allows the Justicar to gain a special weapon at the cost of ... well ... cost.

 

SJ