Ghaust Mortium Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Who and how many of the Luna wolves stayed loyal to the emperor during the dropsite massacres? Besides Garviel and Torgodonn? Was it just thier respective companies? Any info will help. thanks ahead. ---Ghaust Mortium Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Weren't the loyalist elements of the traitor Legions killed during the Istvaan III bombing? I thought later at the Istvaan V dropsite massacre the traitor Legions were already 100% behind Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2085541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Loken Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Aye by the time of the dropsite massacre all the traitor legions had been purged of loyalists. But I think you mean after the battle on Istvaan III, in which case, I can't answer that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2085558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I'm sure you mean Isstvan III. roughly 2,000 Luna Wolves survived the virus bombing and firestorm. they were not taken by company rather individually chosen to go down to Isstvan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2085675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dont forget the Company Captain who escaped with Nathaniel Garro of the Geath Guard, whose name I cannot recall! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2085680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 There were many hundreds of Loyal Lona Wolves on Isstavan III, with Loken. I don't think whole Companies where sent though. just those who Horus was not confident in. Might have been more then a thousand but not much more. 98% ish of them, we all agree died. There where some, ill say 15 who might have made it off world after Horus used the Orbital bombardment to "finish" the war. On Isstavan V for the "Dropsite Massacre" i don't think any Luna Wolves there remained loyal to the Emperor. Some might have had second thoughts but they would keep that to them selves. I would put the Total # of Loyal Luna wolves to make it back to Earth to be judjed buy the Emperor at no more then Ten. Garviel Loken, Nero Vipus, Iacton Qruze "Half-heard" Are the ones I think made it with a hand full of others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2085683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Named Lunar Wolves on Istvaan III were: Torgaddon Loken (Yay!) Nero Vipus, Loken's favourite Tactical Sergeant Togethor these held the disparate armies of Istvaan III togethor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2086090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Basically anyone Horus was not sure of was picked and sent down to Istvaan 3. Loken and Torgaddon comment on the strange way Horus picks the first wave by squads and not companies. But they assume that Horus knows what he's doing. The main purpose of this war was to weed out loyalists via the virus bombing, this would have been a totla sucess but Saul Tarvitz managed to get a warning to the loyalists so they could take cover. I can't remember how many survive the intital bombs and the firestorm but I know the EC and LW forces numbered in the thousands. Saul Tarvitz thinks something of how he has x thousand marines (enough for an entire warzone of the Great Crusade apparently). Common misconception is that Loken is in overall command, it was actually Tarvitz. The other purpose of the Istvaan war was to blood those loyal to Horus, Horus comments that he has brought his legions to a point where they cannot turn back (actually he says this mainly of the WE). Only Qurze is known to have survived, although some believe loyalists escaped from Istvaan III such as Loken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2086112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 one luna wolf managed to survive and get on the eisenstein in some later acounts of the eisenstein. I do belive that there were 3 leaders according to that one. Each on forming the chamber militant of the main inquisitaion sects... in my opinion anyway! (the sisters one is obvious, death guard - death watch?, ahhhhhhh grey knights geneseed from luna wolves not emperor!?!?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2091413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Lets stop with that one right there! There were no 3 ordos till after the Vandire Conspiracy (M34ish?) - and certainly there were no SoB's till after then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2091514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 ahhh but they created the inquisitaion. perhaps the chamber militants were also started back then with specialities of aliens daemons and psykers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The SOS was the psyker hunting force then. They are the orders militant of the Adeptis Astrotelipathica. There is also no evidence at this time that the odors Xenos of the Inquisition is being formed up. Only the Ordo Malius and then not by name at this time. I suspect the ordo Xenos will come later as if they where form at the same time as the ordo Maius then logicaly they should get their own chapter of Marines. While they have they Death Watch this force is not a selfcontained chapter like the Grey Knights. This to me indicates a later and more adhoc organisation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashulaman Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 IF loken survived Istvaan III. Right now noone knows if he is alive or dead since the author left us on a cliffhanger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 ahhh but they created the inquisitaion.perhaps the chamber militants were also started back then with specialities of aliens daemons and psykers For the last time, the Adepta Sororitas have been stated in official canon to have been created by Vandire from a religious sect called the Brides of the Emperor, in M.34. They cannot have existed before that, because otherwise their founding saints were born 4 millenia after the organisation was founded. Secondly, we know the Ordo Hereticus was founded around the same time as the Sororitas, after the Reign of Blood. An unexisting Ordo can't have a Chamber Militant created for it. Also, current canon fluff puts the creation of the Inquisition after the Emperors Ascension, when 4 "trusted servants of the Emperor during the building of his galactic Empire, gathered together to discuss what was to happen". We have the identity of two of them, Promeus and Morianna, Promeus founding what was to become Thorianism, and Morianna founding what was to become Horusianism. The other two aren't named, but are said to "establish themselves with the newly formed Senatorium Imperialis". This is all taken from the Thorian Sourcebook, written by Gav Thorpe. So, we have the creation of the Inquisition set after the Emperors Ascension. We just have to determine what these Marines did. My opinion? Proto-type/placeholder Grey Knights. Not the real thing, but we know the Grey Knights have unique geneseed, so I can see these Marines as being trained and equipped to be a placeholder until the actual Grey Knights could be formed. After all, who says the Emperor didn't make some new geneseed after the Heresy began, a new phase in his plans for a Chaos-resistant humanity? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_claw Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 actually dan abbot did a web post where he said loken would make a return, his words where "we have not seen the last of loken" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thats a great post Lord_Caerolion! As well as the things you have pointed out, we have had it confirmed in the past that the Soritas are not the Sisters of Silence. The only similarity is that they are staffed entirely be women, although if you look at the functions of each they are actually quite different organisations! Concerning the formation of new geneseed, remember that 7 years pass between the initial declaration of Horus's stake for the throne at Istvaan and the final assault on the Emperor's palace, and so there is plenty of time for a new organisation or gene seed to be created (although I should imagine the Emperor would have his hands full during that time!) dark_claw - please don't bring that point up again here, there has already been several massive threads directed towards that discussion! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2092943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whylie Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dont forget the Company Captain who escaped with Nathaniel Garro of the Geath Guard, whose name I cannot recall! Iacton Qruze 'the half-heard' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2133807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonius Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Approximately six thousand Luna Wolves were "loyalist" on Istvaan III. It says in Galaxy in Flames that some two thousand survived the virus bombing approximately one third of what they began with. Can't quote the page at present but it is there. I have been gradually noting the numbers of marines in various statements across the books (and other sources I can find) and am gradually building up a picture of the sizes of the legions pre-heresy - which I will share with the forum once I have got it in a fit state. Early indications are quite surprising from the hints and references we have that some legions are quite small and some are absolutely enormous, there certainly doesn't seem to be an average size anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2138493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Here's something for you to puzzle over (I have no good explanation). The following is an official image of Tarik Toragaddon: http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7748/torgaddon.jpg WTH happened to the B&C's auto-resize??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2138519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarker Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 This has relation with a "vision" of Loken in the Vengeful Spirit. Yeah, the first time i looked at this picture i say :), but then in galaxy in flames (i think) Loken reads the EvilBookofBadGuys and has a "vision", when he "sees" a Torgaddon who matches this picture. If i remember correctly... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2138566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Approximately six thousand Luna Wolves were "loyalist" on Istvaan III. It says in Galaxy in Flames that some two thousand survived the virus bombing approximately one third of what they began with. Can't quote the page at present but it is there. I seem to remember reading that 2,000 Astartes (EC, WE, SoH and DG) were used to attack Istvaan III, and it was noted how disproportionate that was because they could destroy an entire system, never mind a simple planet. Or am I thinking of somewhere else? I have been gradually noting the numbers of marines in various statements across the books (and other sources I can find) and am gradually building up a picture of the sizes of the legions pre-heresy - which I will share with the forum once I have got it in a fit state. Early indications are quite surprising from the hints and references we have that some legions are quite small and some are absolutely enormous, there certainly doesn't seem to be an average size anyway. Sanguinius' geneseed was first implanted into 10,000 Blood Angel warriors upon being found by the Emperor - just to give a sense of scale for the Emperor's Children and their 200-odd to begin with after the disaster, as well as the 'Thousand' Sons of Magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2138616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frijj Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 2000 lunar wolves survived the virus bombings. Not sure on the numbers of the world eaters of emperors children. I know some death guard survived, but not many at all. So several thousand marines held up in the temple/palace to defend it. And we don't know how many servived the attack and bombardment. But loken might just be alive. same as saul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2139677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 But loken might just be alive. same as saul. That's a whole 'nother argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2139683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frijj Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 But loken might just be alive. same as saul. That's a whole 'nother argument. I wouldn't call it an arguement. Its a discussion, it is stupid to argue about what hasn't been set in stone with those two characters. But posts like this are getting off topic really. Unlike my origional post, which i simply named a couple that might still be alive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176427-loyalist-wolves/#findComment-2140369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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