Kaan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 OK, So in the rumor thread, it is being bandied about that Space Wolves are going to become even more expensive per individual model and that we will be even more outnumbered than we currently are. Not suprisingly, people think this to be a BAD thing. But, I disagree (despite the fact that I fully prescribe to the "more boots on the ground" philosophy of Space Wolf armies). Fluff - Space Wolves are one of the smallest chapters of Space Marines. Whereas most chapters have 1000 space marines, there was a wonderful long thread that was trying to figure out how many Space Wolves are out there. I don't remember the actual number, but it was in the 500 +/- 150 range. So to reflect this, our price point per model (and HQ) goes up to better represent this. This fits the fluff. So, WHY EXACTLY is this a good thing (e.g. Sometimes you get what you deserve?). Because we are Space Wolves! We ARE the BEST of the BEST. P E R I O D. Yes, our point prices are going up, but from the hints/sounds of it, each individual space wolf will be an absolute killing machine. The ability to shoot our bolters into a unit AND still be able to assault? Potentially and additional "special weapon". Improved statline (folks, think WS 5 or or Furious Charge). Yes we may be outnumbered before combat, but add in bolter and special weapon shots (think of 2 flamer templates hitting an enemy BEFORE assualting!) and suddenly we won't be badly outnumbered. If we get enhanced stat lines (think of hitting on 3's and striking first....like Furious Charge) then what's left of the enemy will be closer to equal numbers and we will have an advantage for the remainder of combat.....if the enemy have the stomach for it. We may not be as effective as a Genestealer, but Genestealers don't shoot very well *wink*. Mind you, this is PURELY speculation, but this could be an incredible boon (one that will have Chaos players screaming for help to whatever Chaos god they worship). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlerook Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Where the hell did you get those numbers about Space Wolves? If anything their the second largest chapter in the Imperium, theres 12 Great Companies with an average 120 warriors (taken from a White Dwarf article), thats nearly 1500 warriors. The fact is, no one knows what the exact changes to the Space Wolves will be.....yet. Yes, there will more then likely be an improvement in close combat but will that improvement be at the cost of an increased points cost or somewhere else, like ranged weaponry? Or will it be the improvements came due the fact that there are more Wolves in a squad? Will they become enraged when a comrade in arms is killed? Will it be more advantageous to take larger but fewer squads on foot with few vehicles, or smaller squads in a mechanised army? No one knows anything for definite yet. And I'm not saying this because I play Dark Angels, I like the Space Wolves, they bring a breath of fresh air to the 40K Universe, but, wait. Wait for the codex to be in your hands before hyping it up. A funny thing that happens is that people hype up a release so much and convince themselves things will be in a codex, they end disappointed to see that its not in there. Its better to wait, see whats there and then decide how to use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2085685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Where the hell did you get those numbers about Space Wolves? If anything their the second largest chapter in the Imperium, theres 12 Great Companies with an average 120 warriors (taken from a White Dwarf article), thats nearly 1500 warriors. even saying average of 120 is rather low. Some are speculated to be in the hundredS and I doubt you will find a great company below 100. Not to mention the facts that: 1. Due to an untold number of great companies launching off on their own (see lost companies), there's no telling just how many wolves there are in the galaxy. 2. We are the only legion NOT to split after the HH. Sure, preheresy we were considered "small", but small could still have been 10,000 marines when you look at the size of some of the other chapters out there (I think ultras had hundreds of thousands). I truly have to wonder where those numbers in the OP came from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2085693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 That is true. We didn't split after the HH. The only attempt made at creating a descending for the chapter were the wolf brothers who were genetically flawed with their geneseed. So the chapter was disbanded. Our Legion Strength at the time of the Great Crusade was anything from 10,000 - 25000. Reading up on the ultramarine page it states that the average legion strength was 10,000 however the Ultramarines had 25,000. 2 1/2 x more than the other legions at the time, and therefore the largest by far. We have no doubt that the space wolves are much less numerable than they once were nowadays. However the numbers in each company could easily range in the late hundreds to the thousands at the most. Each company is different and has a different composition of men and material. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2085710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Our Legion Strength at the time of the Great Crusade was anything from 10,000 - 25000. Reading up on the ultramarine page it states that the average legion strength was 10,000 however the Ultramarines had 25,000. 2 1/2 x more than the other legions at the time, and therefore the largest by far. That's actually an old estimate. If you do the math, there are supposed to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000,000 marines in the galaxy. I think it's out of the 4th ed SM dex (maybe 3rd? pretty sure 4th) that there is that number, which is supposed to pan out to pretty much one marine per planet in the Imperium, which is "enough" to defend it against the darkness (I'm paraphrasing here). Now, I'm not the biggest math whiz in the world, but I can still divide 1,000,000 by 10 loyalist legions, and that gives you a number far in excess of 10,000 marines per early legions. And the Ultras were supposed to outnumber several other legions put together. Anyway, the number debate is pretty pointless, as there's never been a truly cannonized number. It even varies from dex to dex. In the end, just make your great company as big as you want it. That's how big that particular great company is in your particular fluff universe. I am personally shooting for about 150 wolves for my iron wolves, but with a higher than average number of dreads (6 and counting!), a decent smattering of bikers, and a whole bunch of tanks, all led by Fenring the Red. If i wanted to have 500 wolves, then there's no reason I couldnt. It would just be a whole lot of transports to buy....and I'd rather have two separate large great companies than one massive one. But again, that's just me in my own fluff universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2085737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 In regards to Great Company size, that will teach me to not do the search function (and what a "debate" it was). My apologies, I was going off of what I remembered reading a couple of years ago (and in error). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2086593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 There was a topic on great company size not even halfway down the 1st page >.> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2086609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 If you do a proper set of searchies youll find several dozen since the server crash, and there were alot more before it. Best guess: somewhere between 1500 and 3500, myself I guess around 3.1k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2087538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokafort Stonewolf Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 The fluff floats around on the size of great companies; I'm not sure what the most recent is, but yes, we're the second largest of the Marine chapters, NOT one of the smallest (only the Black Templars are larger). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176436-speculation-and-changing-tactics/#findComment-2087863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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